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re: Could LSU Have Scored in the 2012 BCS Title Game if They Subbed in Jarrett Lee?

Posted on 8/29/24 at 10:01 pm to
Posted by 0
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 10:01 pm to
If the game plan is still to run against a 9 man box all fricking game then it wouldn’t matter who was qb
Posted by Ralphiemay
Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 10:36 pm to
Racist trump supporter comment there bud . Kamala 2024.
Posted by windmill
Prairieville, La
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 10:52 pm to
Something definitely happened in the locker room at halftime. "

I've always believed this or some version of it. Les rode the horse straight into the dirt and then spent the 2nd half beating the hell out of it. It was unreal watching it all play out live and seeing Les do...........nothing. Nothing at all.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:07 pm to
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Sorry to open old wounds but i was watching the FL/LSU game with that winning TD pass


Pull up Lee against Bama, that should answer your question.
Posted by thumperpait
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:10 pm to
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always believed this or some version of it. Les rode the horse straight into the dirt and then spent the 2nd half beating the hell out of it. It was unreal watching it all play out live and seeing Les do...........nothing. Nothing at all.


There has been hints here and there about it. Can't remember were I heard it but something did happen. A lot of players wanting lee to start the second half. Les got pissed and benched t-bob. He said he was the coach and that was it. I was pissed when I noticed miles on the sidelines and he didn't care if they lost. Didn't even try to coach.
Coach o got his championship and checked out. But at least he had some passion.

Just glad we have a coach that actually coaches and doesn't just let the coordinators do everything.
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 1:49 am to
OP either has mental issues or starved for attention.

Why the fricking frick would you dredge all this negative crap up a few days before the season starts?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:46 am to
Id say the program is in a much different place at the moment for you to cry like a baby over this thread
Posted by vl100butch
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Sep 2005
35878 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:52 am to
I've said this for years---but Les would never have been mentally flexible enough to do it...

Mettenberger in at QB, run 4 wideouts, look who LSU had, OBJ, Juice, Reuben Randall, James Wright (all who played in the NFL)

spread the field and throw to whoever was open
Posted by floridatiger2
Member since Sep 2006
600 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:12 am to
Yes, 24-21 Tigers.....book it Danno
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:25 am to
Of course they could have. Swapping Lee for JJ was unprecedented and stupid. Les Miles is a clown
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:51 am to
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Absolute coaching malpractice, on display for the entire world to see.


That game was lost the second Alabama was named the second team in the game. In many ways, LSU was lucky to win the first game that year. It took Alabama missing several FGs, combined with a remarkable interception at the goal line on what would have set Alabama up for a TD to allow LSU to win in OT. Yet, Les's hubris would not allow him to accept that fact. Or the fact his offense was getting worse as the season went on. Saban adjusted his game plan. Les stupidly figured he could do the exact same thing and get the exact same result.

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maybe so, but we'll NEVER KNOW, because Les didn't try anything to light a spark.

It's the last game of the season for the national championship. Time to try anything and everything, because what we were doing WASN'T WORKING.

But no, Les just drove the plane straight into the ground, without changing a thing.



I agree 100%. How a coach could just sit there and watch the plane fly into the mountain without doing anything to try to change course is mind blowing. Particularly considering he DID make a QB change in the first game that likely gave LSU the win.

However, maybe that was the reason he didn't sub in Lee. Never before or since have I seen a QB more skiddish and scared shitless than Jarrett Lee. That was the case literally from his first game at LSU until his last.

Lee was terrified of Alabama. That's why he was awful in that game. The final straw was a play where he had to pick up a low snap and literally panicked. While flinching, he just threw the ball downfield as quick as possible so he wouldn't get hit (no one was around him)...right into the waiting arms of an Alabama player.

So in the end, I doubt Lee makes any difference whatsoever. In fact, it's more likely he makes things worse. But at least we as fans could say Les tried something to make a difference.
Posted by Picayuner
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:53 am to
People forget that mettinberger was sitting on the bench. I truly believe he would have changed that game.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
58846 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:01 am to
Mettenberger should’ve been given an opportunity to compete for the job from the get go. The reason he wasn’t is because Miles obsession with JJ who wasn’t a good QB and should’ve been thrown off the team prior to the season anyway. Having Lee and Mett is a huge upgrade from any combination that involved Jefferson.
This post was edited on 8/30/24 at 9:02 am
Posted by bdavids09
Member since Jun 2017
1010 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:16 am to
Not subbing in because it would have been to hard to comeback. If Lee started that would be the only chance and it still would be hard. The only way Jefferson had success in the 9-6 game was the option and of course Saban/smart shut that down early on 1/9/12 because they had a month to prepare. Only miles couldn’t see that coming. If Lee played the whole game lsu probably still loses and maybe even throws a pick six but I bet they at least cross the 50 put up more than 92 yards and maybe even score a point. I never forgave miles after putting that game plan out there.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 10:23 am to
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Yes, 24-21 Tigers.....book it Danno





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Of course they could have. Swapping Lee for JJ was unprecedented and stupid. Les Miles is a clown


Posted by bdavids09
Member since Jun 2017
1010 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:48 am to
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truly believe the only way we would've won that game was to completely change the strategy away from worked the entire year. Air raid, 50 passes, etc

Exactly! You can’t run it into the teeth of that Alabama defense.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
29293 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 7:20 am to
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He was a bad QB

Jarrett Lee was not a bad QB. Without Lee LSU wouldn't have secured victory in early games that year vs strong opponents like Oregon and West Virginia, much less the Florida, Tennessee and Alabama games the prior season, where his clutch passes lead to winning drives.

But Saban and Alabama in 2011 needed a total change in gameplan and perspective by Miles
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
29293 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 7:26 am to
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Something definitely happened in the locker room at halftime

What was that? LSU stunk up the field in the first half as well. Only a blocked FG by Brockers kept Bama away from a double-digit lead at the break
Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
4398 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 9:03 am to
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Mettenberger should’ve been given an opportunity to compete for the job from the get go. The reason he wasn’t is because Miles obsession with JJ who wasn’t a good QB and should’ve been thrown off the team prior to the season anyway. Having Lee and Mett is a huge upgrade from any combination that involved Jefferson.


I was going to just post “I haven’t thought about this game since 2019” because to me 2019 cleansed us of this curse

But I will indulge.

Les lost all of his mojo somewhere during the season.

He committed fully to the run game and the option. He just felt it was “safer”.

Apart from his mad hatter era Les was a wildly conservative coach. Who always let the other team hang around. Remember how many games it just seemed like it was over and we won only to be worried about the final possession? Just ticking off field goals in our side of the field.

A part of this “conservativeness” was Le’s HATED interceptions. He would rather have us scrum down the field and kick a field goal drive after drive. Because if you play this conservative you can’t afford turnovers.

Therefore Lea didn’t play any “passer” style QBs.

That’s why JJ played. He was the better runner.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 9:04 am
Posted by Srobi14
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
3643 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 9:08 am to
Naw, despite what the t-rant says Jordan Jefferson was significantly better than Lee. Their passing was comparable but jefferson could also challenge a defense with his legs. Bama was just better that night unfortunately.
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