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re: CJJ Saving Scott Woodward

Posted on 7/1/25 at 9:57 am to
Posted by burke985
UGANDA
Member since Aug 2011
28360 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 9:57 am to
You're lucky you got anybody to coach the basketball team here when they had one fricking player start with
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
49105 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:01 am to
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What am I trying to say?

That you're a dumbass?
Posted by TheDeathValley
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2010
20061 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:01 am to
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The classic. Only has a few posts, can't have an opinion.



How on earth would you know what a "classic" is if you just created your account? Seems like you are pretty obviously an alter looking to stir shite up.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
5922 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:02 am to
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The worst thing that could happen to our fanbase was for him to take the team to the SEC championship in year 1. Everyone had already come to terms that we would have to rebuild, but that gave everyone unrealistic expectations.

But yes, in year 4 he is expected to produce.


Agreed. People often fall into the mindset that progress is a linear endeavor when the reality is that it's not. By LSU making the SECCG in year one, people assumed that year 2 would feature the next step of a CFP birth and year 3 would be a national title or something close to it. Now, this coming season, LSU has all the pieces you'd want to be a nationally relevant team come playoff time and if it still doesn't happen, I think you have reason to be super skeptical. Expectation drives satisfaction and I think that combined with linear progress theory has caused people to sort of miss the big picture. FTR, I think LSU is a playoff team and legit title contender this year. We'll see.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 10:03 am
Posted by Reagan80
Earth
Member since Feb 2023
1827 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:03 am to
BK is the finest 8-4 coach in the country!
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52898 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:05 am to
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The only Woodward head scratcher for me is O extension.


Wut?

In hindsight it was wrong, but at the time we had just won a title with a team that had talking heads saying that it wasn’t even a debate that it was the best team ever assembled in the history of the sport.
Posted by BK785
Member since Feb 2013
3712 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:06 am to
Compared to other Athletic Depts in the SEC I think LSU's is in the upper echelon of the league. If LSU could put an average team on the men's basketball court, LSU might have the best Athletic Dept in the SEC.
Posted by tigafighta
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2025
24 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:07 am to
I was on TD reading it for years before making an account. I'm familiar with the lingo and how the site works.

Your reply probably sounded a lot cooler than it really was. Swing and a miss
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
15952 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:07 am to
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In hindsight it was wrong, but at the time we had just won a title with a team that had talking heads saying that it wasn’t even a debate that it was the best team ever assembled in the history of the sport.


Let me be more specific the O extension with the massive buyout.
Posted by theliontamer
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
1839 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:10 am to
BK still up in the air. We are all in this szn, let's see how it turns out.
Posted by da prophet
hammond, la
Member since Sep 2013
2932 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:16 am to
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Not really. It took longer than expected but we're back to being a preseason top 10 team again. Expectations are back. If he falls on his face this year, I'll agree that it probably won't ever work but let's not pretend the landscape around LSU hasn't vastly improved since 2021.

Pre season top 10 doesn't mean jack. BK was a good pre NIL/portal coach, but the landscape has changed dramatically. He may just an average coach in this new Nil/ portal world.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
26822 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:17 am to
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Brian Kelly - oh boy! I don't want to upset too many of you. He isn't great, he isn't bad. Super meh hire.
BK was a good hire at the time to right the ship...I am ok with the hire.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34066 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:33 am to
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but on paper he was a grand slam hire.


So was Jimbo at A&M.

Football moves the needle. Thus far BK, while not "bad" by any means, hasn't been great either. If he doesn't win the NC this year he will be the first LSU HC in 25 years to fail to do so within the first 4 years of his tenure. That may be an unfair standard to hold him to, but that is the standard. If this year is another 8-4 or 9-3 season ending in some minor, irrelevant, bowl game, then the screams at Woodward of Jimbo 2.0 will be even louder. That is, Woodward will have hung another school with a massive, lengthy contract that they can't get out from despite mediocre results.

That's been somewhat the case in men's basketball. While the circumstances in which McMahon was hired were different, he too got a long term contract. However, unlike BK, his results have been absolutely awful (worst in the SEC over the last 3 seasons). Unfortunately, the length of the contract has made onerous to bail out of despite the bad results.

Johnson has been great. Still, I don't think that is, in isolation, enough to "save" Woodward. It's important to LSU fans/donors to be great at baseball. But baseball doesn't override the importance of football.

The minor sports, namely women's basketball and gymnastics have been great as well. But those are mostly quick dopamine hits for most fans. Them being great is not enough to override disappointing results in football and (to a lesser extent) men's basketball. No one is going to say "it's alright that the football team is not championship caliber. Our women's basketball team is great!"

IMO, this upcoming football season is big for Woodward. This is an "all in" year where LSU should, relative to the rest of college football, have the pieces to compete for a national championship. If they don't, the fans/donors will be looking for someone to take the fall. BK will have ~$60M reasons why it likely won't be him. It would be much cheaper to get rid of the guy who saddled the school with BK. If LSU is getting ready to play in the Citrus Bowl come January not that many fans will be excited to waive off that disappointment just because LSU baseball won the NC in June.
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
5485 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:34 am to
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Kim Mulkey - came on her own. All he had to do was give her $. Most of tRant could've hired Kim. Don't tell me he did anything to get Kim.


You think Alleva would get Kim? Lol
Posted by Meauxjeaux
102836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
45836 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:36 am to
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BK has underwhelmed a bit, but on paper he was a grand slam hire.


LSU making BK start seasons without a Week 0 game, after supplying him with only 39 scholarship players to start his tenure, borders on fraud.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
12009 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:42 am to
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underwhelmed a bit


I'm not endorsing or condemning him, but BK has been a victim of his own success. There's no way he should have been as successful as he was year 1!

Yes he made a bad hire with House, but in paper it was solid.

In addition, the landscape of CB has drastically changed in just 3 years.

Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
19673 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:49 am to
I’d tell you to go frick yourself but you’re so goddamn dumb I don’t think you’d know how.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
42397 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 11:06 am to
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I was on TD reading it for years before making an account. I'm familiar with the lingo and how the site works.



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Your reply probably sounded a lot cooler than it really was.


His reply was spot on, regardless of coolness.

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Swing and a miss



That would be this thread.
Posted by Purple N Gold Blood
Gods country
Member since Sep 2009
3252 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 11:09 am to
Agree 100%
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
15952 posts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 11:09 am to
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That is, Woodward will have hung another school with a massive, lengthy contract that they can't get out from despite mediocre results.


In both situations Woodward was given marching orders to get an established coach with a track record. You cannot get coaches like that without these types of contracts.

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It would be much cheaper to get rid of the guy who saddled the school with BK.


BK has a bad year so LSU fires the AD tell me how that solves a problem. You don't fire the AD because he made a football hire that was not a home run.
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