re: Can we discuss Woodward's LSU record?

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Hired the wrong notre dame coach based on what exactly

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One won 2 playoff games, and the other can’t crack above 9 regular season wins even with a heisman winner qb who is setting records in the NFL.

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It gets worse. If Woodward had his way Jimbo Fisher would be our football coach. There's no point in making any coaching changes while he's in charge of the hiring process

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This really is the worst part.

And football generated record revenue this year.

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Now why are the two most important sports programs that make the school the most money dog shite?

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You think lsu football is dog shite? Let me know you're 20 years old without telling me you're 20 years old.

Kim Mulkey and Johnson have won NCs already. Gymnastics has won a NC as well. Brian Kelly is a massive upgrade from who came before him.

In the age of the portal and NIL you need an astute AD to raise NIL funds and manage it. Front office management is as crucial as game day coaching and he is about as good as they come.

Wade was fired because he got us into trouble with the NCAA...believe me on the day Wade was fired, the NCAA still had some teeth with which it could have bitten us...especially when they combined the basketball and the football violations together. The NCAA could have nailed us as the last lethal bite.

McMahon was hired when we were on probation and considering we did not have a recent history of winning, lots of top tier coaches would have passed. McMahon was a good hire given the circumstances. He has shown improvement from year 1 to year 2. Let us see what he does in year 3 and then make a judgement.

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I thought we were debating Woodward’s hiring record. Is that not what we’re doing?

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Ok. Let's look at the Kelly hire.

Orgeron dismantled the LSU program, we're still recovering from that. LSU wanted to bring in a competent, experienced HC who they knew could run a bigtime program (not just gameday stuff, but run the program). That eliminates 95% candidates... all coordinators off the table. And all non-P5 coaches too. Auburn took a chance with the Boise coach, and Boise is about as bigtime as it gets in the G5 ranks. It didn't work. So no "up and coming" G5 guys either. LSU aimed at the top tier, successful guys at major programs used to dealing with all the headaches that come with it. They wanted someone to come in and fix the machine that Orgeron broke. And it WAS broken.

Ok, candidates. Saban- no, that's just a pipe dream. Kirby- he ain't leaving Georgia for LSU. Ryan Day at Ohio State- he ain't leaving for LSU either.
Kiffin? Disaster at a couple places in his history, and a bit of a rogue.
Riley at Oklahoma? We thought he was an option, but he chose USC instead. And btw he's done worse than Kelly here.

Kelly at Notre Dame? Why would he leave, he's got a program locked in at 10-2/11-1 annually... but we were able to pry him away with the contract.

Kelly at LSU, how's he done? First year he took a program that was .500 the past 2 seasons, bleeding talent everywhere, went 9-3 and made Atlanta.
Second year, he went 9-3 with a team that we think could have been better. Great offense, shitty defense... the defense was OK the year before, we retained the staff and most of the players. Most... we lost our corners (who were portal guys) to the draft, as well as a safety. We then lost our expected starting safety and glue in the secondary to brain cancer a month before the season. We also lost our DL coach (who returned everyone from a good DL) at that same time, and apparently he was essential to the defense's success. We couldn't add portal guys good enough to fix the secondary, because a) maybe we didn't have our NIL game in gear yet, and b) maybe great corners don't leave good programs, and maybe lower tier guys aren't great. Either way, we saw some of the impact of Orgeron's disaster, because we had zero depth to put out there. We tried freshmen in Toviano and Stamps, they weren't ready (and probably should be safeties).
Year 3, we replace the Heisman winner at QB and 2 elite NFL WRs, mostly inhouse. We go 8-4, show flashes, but suffer some injuries. Hilton out most of the year, it's clear he would have been featured (maybe WR1) had he been good to go all year. Daniels, a guy we brought in, spent half the year injured after becoming a major target. Durham emerges fairly early as the best RB, then gets his toes smashed by his own lineman in a blowout of a OOC game.
Our best D Lineman goes down game 1 for the year. Our most lauded linebacker (a preseason All American) goes down before the season is halfway over. We lose our experienced LG (who was supposed to protect our freshman center) halfway through the season. We don't have experienced guys in the secondary, other than a couple guys (Ryan, Burns) we wished would go away.

9-3, 9-3, 8-4 ain't great, but it ain't bad. And we WERE bad, so that part was fixed. We want more. We somehow retain one of the top 5 QB prospects in the draft, we have a decent group of players returning, good coaches across the board (yes, Sloan is good- look at what he's done with QBs). Good players coming in. Expectations will be high.

As for Freeman succeeding at Notre Dame- Kelly left him a good program. And maybe losing Kelly woke Notre Dame up, made them realize they need more than Touchdown Jesus and a history if they want to keep good players and coaches. And maybe if they played a serious schedule all season, they'd lose some key guys to attrition- the way UGA lost their QB playing #2 Texas in the 13th game of the year, something ND doesn't need to worry about.

If that’s how you decide who your coach is you are dumber that I thought. NIU beat Notre Dame and Ball State beat NIU. Let’s hire their coach!!!

He didn’t hire the wrong Notre Dame coach. Neither should have been in the discussion. There is nothing elite about Brian Kelly. And Freeman was too inexperienced.

Woodward has done good things in some other sports, but football is king and he will be judged by his track record there.

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Hired the wrong ND coach and put us in a 10 year $100 mil hole

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He was never hiring Freeman to be head coach, so this is stupid.

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freeman looks to be a rising star.

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So did several coaches the past decade, and only a few panned out