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Posted on 6/6/12 at 11:07 am to LSU92
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This is a classic. What's sad is that you have to spell it out for a decent portion of the LSU fanbase and they still don't get it. All these jackasses in the media write the narrative and some of our goofy fanbase takes the bait everytime.
Bingo.
They bitch about ESPN here daily, yet fall hook, line, and sinker for the BS ESPN and the rest of the media spews out. It makes me laugh.
I need to make one correction to the post of mine you quoted: Miles didn't just beat Petrino....he humiliated him.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 11:12 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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I need to make one correction to the post of mine you quoted: Miles didn't just beat Petrino....he humiliated him.
I think thats a bit delusional...but its your board
Posted on 6/6/12 at 11:24 am to sugatowng
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I need to make one correction to the post of mine you quoted: Miles didn't just beat Petrino....he humiliated him.
I think thats a bit delusional...but its your board
With football completely aside, I think it would be more reasonable to say Petrino humiliated himself and everyone associated with him. As for coaching, I think Petrino was/is a solid coach, but I didn't like him. I always thought it was always about him, and the motorcycle escapade proved that.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 11:27 am to sugatowng
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I think thats a bit delusional...but its your board
Chris Faulk humiliated Jake Bequette several times.
Is that better?
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:01 pm to jdg91878
This thread proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are some incorrigibly deluded zealots in our fanbase who simply cannot acknowledge reality, no matter what evidence is put before them.
First of all, certain posters have attempted to subtly shift the grounds of the debate over the course of the thread. The initial poster took issue with Athlon's conclusion that Saban was clearly better ("on a different level") than Miles and the ensuing argument focused predominantly on that proposition, NOT on whether Miles was a "good" coach in the absolute.
Athlon's position on the relative merits of Saban and Miles is well-founded. In short, here's why:
National Championships: Saban 3 Miles 1
SEC Championships: Saban 3 Miles 2
SEC West Titles: Saban 4 Miles 3
Overall Undefeated Seasons: Saban 1 Miles 0
Undefeated Regular Seasons: Saban 2 Miles 1
Overall One-Loss Seasons: Saban 2 Miles 1
Moreover, according to consensus recruiting class rankings, Saban has outrecuited Miles EVERY year he has been at Bama.
Literally every single objective criterion of championship caliber football favors Saban. Therefore, it is not some illogical abomination when a publicataion quite understandably concludes that Saban is better, especially when Saban pimp-slapped Miles the last time they faced each other.
Finally, I have to chuckle and shake my head in chagrin at those posters who put so much emphasis on the 3-3 head to head record between Saban and Miles. By that very imperfect measure, I presume those same posters will concede that Petrino is Miles equal since he went 2-2 against the Tigers? (Never mind that fact that Petrino has won f*ck all in terms of SEC and national titles.) And of course those same posters will gladly recognize that, at the start of last season, Nutt was also Miles equal, since he had a 3-3 record against Miles, right? (Similarly setting aside the fact that Nutt won jack sh*t on national or conference level).
No? No? No one wants to make those concessions? Of course f*cking not. Because they are assinine. Miles is clearly better than Nutt and Petrino, head to head be damned. And similarly, it's assinine and unsupportable to claim that Miles is Saban's equal based exclusively on head to head and when Saban has more NC's, more SECC's, more SECCG appearances, and more undefeated seasons. Got damn.
Stop being so defensive and irrational when it comes to Saban. Right now he has a clear edge over Miles. All we can hope for is that Miles somehow improves, wins more NC's, and reverses the scales of evidence.
First of all, certain posters have attempted to subtly shift the grounds of the debate over the course of the thread. The initial poster took issue with Athlon's conclusion that Saban was clearly better ("on a different level") than Miles and the ensuing argument focused predominantly on that proposition, NOT on whether Miles was a "good" coach in the absolute.
Athlon's position on the relative merits of Saban and Miles is well-founded. In short, here's why:
National Championships: Saban 3 Miles 1
SEC Championships: Saban 3 Miles 2
SEC West Titles: Saban 4 Miles 3
Overall Undefeated Seasons: Saban 1 Miles 0
Undefeated Regular Seasons: Saban 2 Miles 1
Overall One-Loss Seasons: Saban 2 Miles 1
Moreover, according to consensus recruiting class rankings, Saban has outrecuited Miles EVERY year he has been at Bama.
Literally every single objective criterion of championship caliber football favors Saban. Therefore, it is not some illogical abomination when a publicataion quite understandably concludes that Saban is better, especially when Saban pimp-slapped Miles the last time they faced each other.
Finally, I have to chuckle and shake my head in chagrin at those posters who put so much emphasis on the 3-3 head to head record between Saban and Miles. By that very imperfect measure, I presume those same posters will concede that Petrino is Miles equal since he went 2-2 against the Tigers? (Never mind that fact that Petrino has won f*ck all in terms of SEC and national titles.) And of course those same posters will gladly recognize that, at the start of last season, Nutt was also Miles equal, since he had a 3-3 record against Miles, right? (Similarly setting aside the fact that Nutt won jack sh*t on national or conference level).
No? No? No one wants to make those concessions? Of course f*cking not. Because they are assinine. Miles is clearly better than Nutt and Petrino, head to head be damned. And similarly, it's assinine and unsupportable to claim that Miles is Saban's equal based exclusively on head to head and when Saban has more NC's, more SECC's, more SECCG appearances, and more undefeated seasons. Got damn.
Stop being so defensive and irrational when it comes to Saban. Right now he has a clear edge over Miles. All we can hope for is that Miles somehow improves, wins more NC's, and reverses the scales of evidence.
This post was edited on 6/6/12 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:08 pm to The312
it would've just been easier to type "i hate Miles" instead of all that bullshite
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:15 pm to Choctaw
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it would've just been easier to type "i hate Miles" instead of all that bullshite
What a surprise, Choctaw the mindless sycophant, incapable of responding to my evidence and argument with any countervailing evidence and argument, resorts to empty and meaningless internet memes.
Only a dunce of the highest order would conflate "hatred for Miles" with a rational view of the evidence. Most human beings not in a vegatative state or languishing on life support would concede the simple fact that Saban is a better coach than Miles based on the evidence available to date. That's not hatred of LSU, that's just sanity. Put another way, my heart wants Miles to be better than Saban, but my mind can still perceive that it hasn't happened to date. If you can't see that, you are actually even dumber than I thought - and that's difficult to imagine.
This post was edited on 6/6/12 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:18 pm to The312
The debate continues! Is Miles or Saban better. Here is my point.
It doesn't matter!!!! It doesn't matter because even if Saban is better he is still a dick. I would rather have Miles as my head coach than an a-hole that-
A. Notifies his assistant coaches via email that he is gone. Not gone leave but is freaking gone!!!
B. Makes his departure right spot on Christmas! How is that for a Merry Christmas to all the 10 year old boys in the state.
The list goes. On.
Had Les taken the Michigan job I would have been sad but would have wished him well and would have pulled for Michigan... because Les Miles is not an a-hole and does stuff the right way.
How any true tiger fan can muster a kind word towards a man that shite all over LSU is beyond me.
It doesn't matter!!!! It doesn't matter because even if Saban is better he is still a dick. I would rather have Miles as my head coach than an a-hole that-
A. Notifies his assistant coaches via email that he is gone. Not gone leave but is freaking gone!!!
B. Makes his departure right spot on Christmas! How is that for a Merry Christmas to all the 10 year old boys in the state.
The list goes. On.
Had Les taken the Michigan job I would have been sad but would have wished him well and would have pulled for Michigan... because Les Miles is not an a-hole and does stuff the right way.
How any true tiger fan can muster a kind word towards a man that shite all over LSU is beyond me.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:24 pm to The312
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Athlon's position on the relative merits of Saban and Miles is well-founded. In short, here's why:
National Championships: Saban 3 Miles 1
SEC Championships: Saban 3 Miles 2
SEC West Titles: Saban 4 Miles 3
Overall Undefeated Seasons: Saban 1 Miles 0
Undefeated Regular Seasons: Saban 2 Miles 1
Overall One-Loss Seasons: Saban 2 Miles 1
And the point others have made, including myself, is that without an UNPRECEDENTED MULLIGAN that many in the media pushed for, these numbers would not exist in this fashion.
The manner in which the Mulligan was granted, the degree in which the media had to spin in order to make it happen, the ensuing result of the Mulligan (Bama winning) and the numbers that resulted in it for comparison purposes (which you posted) that the media now gleefully purports as making Saban sooooooo much better is really an insult to any LSU fan's intelligence.
You have clearly bought into the narrative. Good for you and good for the media. They've done their job. You are right. Miles is not a good coach.
After all, only "elite" coaches get a second chance to "re-win" games they lost. Miles, since he's clearly not even a good coach according some of you (and the media), shouldn't be granted the same leeway as Saban.
This reminds me of the way the political media treats Obama and his failures. Just blame someone else or give him another chance.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:26 pm to The312
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the mindless sycophant, incapable of responding to my evidence and argument with any countervailing evidence and argument, resorts to empty and meaningless internet memes.
So what happens if Miles goes undefeated this year with an SEC Champ. and a Nat'l Champ.? Than you have......
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National Championships: Saban 3 Miles 2
SEC Championships: Saban 3 Miles 3
SEC West Titles: Saban 4 Miles 4
Overall Undefeated Seasons: Saban 1 Miles 1
Undefeated Regular Seasons: Saban 2 Miles 2
Overall One-Loss Seasons: Saban 2 Miles 1
From the looks of this squad and schedule, the odds are in favor.
You act like these numbers for Saban FAR outweigh Miles' numbers. The overall numbers are insanely close and for you to come out and right a fricking thesis on how much better of a coach Saban is over Miles is downright unfair and not accurate. Get Saban's balls out of your mouth, he left LSU.....don't be "that guy" and dream about the day he may come back. You're basically a scorned woman.
This post was edited on 6/6/12 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:26 pm to jdg91878
I'll be honest, none of this "how the media perceives him" or "this coach is x% better than that coach" means a whole lot to me.
I just love to watch good LSU football and to watch them against good opposition. As long as that happens I will be happy.
I will say that there were times over the last couple of years that I thought the quality of the football, at least on offense, was not very enjoyable.
I just love to watch good LSU football and to watch them against good opposition. As long as that happens I will be happy.
I will say that there were times over the last couple of years that I thought the quality of the football, at least on offense, was not very enjoyable.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:29 pm to The312
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when Saban pimp-slapped Miles the last time they faced each other.
Yeah, let's not mention the 1st game, right?
It was irrelevant when it came to LSU winning the SEC Championship outright.
Get off your fricking high horse.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:31 pm to The312
The question being asked by some of us is simple. Why is Miles worth as a coach only measured on the Nick Saban scale. Everyone concedes the fact that Saban is very good. The last I checked, Miles' LSU team is the only team in the country to play these tough over Saban's full tenure at alabama. Look at every other conference in America...do you see anyone that can physically stay on the field with alabama (or LSU for that matter)? Do you see anyone in the SEC staying on the field with alabama over the next three years? The only answer is Les Miles' LSU team.
As I stated earlier, Miles' LSU team is the only thing that stands between alabama and a dynasty. Nobody else but LSU. That is the measure of a good program.
As for these dipshits in the media and other fan bases that run LSU down, I ask you to nominate a team in college that can play year in and year out with 2012 alabama. The only legit answer is LSU.
As I stated earlier, Miles' LSU team is the only thing that stands between alabama and a dynasty. Nobody else but LSU. That is the measure of a good program.
As for these dipshits in the media and other fan bases that run LSU down, I ask you to nominate a team in college that can play year in and year out with 2012 alabama. The only legit answer is LSU.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:43 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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And the point others have made, including myself, is that without an UNPRECEDENTED MULLIGAN that many in the media pushed for, these numbers would not exist in this fashion.
The manner in which the Mulligan was granted, the degree in which the media had to spin in order to make it happen, the ensuing result of the Mulligan (Bama winning) and the numbers that resulted in it for comparison purposes (which you posted) that the media now gleefully purports as making Saban sooooooo much better is really an insult to any LSU fan's intelligence.
LOLOL. My god, man, aren't you overlooking one minor fact in your crazy, deluded screed? One...tiny...little...fact. You act as if the outcome of the game was a fait accompli (preordained conclusion) once the media allegedly "conspired' to put Bama in the game. That's not so.
Didn't...some...other...little...thing...need...to happen for Bama to be the champion? Namely, didn't ALABAMA NEED TO BEAT LSU IN THE ACTUAL NC GAME. Yes! And that's precisely what occurred. 21-0. Because Saban and staff outcoached Miles and company. Badly. Are you blaming the media for the 21-0 result? Did the media devise the gameplan? Did the media make playcalls? Did the media determine what personnel to use? Did the media stubbornly play JJ? No.
The ACTUAL RESULT of the game on the field wasn't the product of media meddling...it was the product of sh*tty coaching and execution on one side of the turf. And THAT is why Saban has the overwhelming and indisputable statistical advantages I cited, not some far-reaching Oliver Stone style media consipiracy. Jesus.
This post was edited on 6/6/12 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:45 pm to LSU92
Man r we gettin worked up on this post.
1. Everyone that states Saban is better doesn't hate CLM its just their opinion.
2. Yea CLM has had gameday screw ups--what coach has not had them.
3. Two things saved Bama last year--the mulligan and a better QB. (just a fact-otherwise we probably would have won our 3rd ship in 10yrs).
4. If you are not happy having CLM as your coach you are seriously reaching. Program is consistent top 10 maybe top 5 even with poor QB play.
5. Yea I get mad at CLM at times--stated reasons in many threads. However, he is a class act and knows how to coach--excuse him for not being perfect.
6. Sometimes it is nice to vent our frustrations on this board.
7. Glad to have all of you guys/gals as tigerfans we all want LSU to succeed.
1. Everyone that states Saban is better doesn't hate CLM its just their opinion.
2. Yea CLM has had gameday screw ups--what coach has not had them.
3. Two things saved Bama last year--the mulligan and a better QB. (just a fact-otherwise we probably would have won our 3rd ship in 10yrs).
4. If you are not happy having CLM as your coach you are seriously reaching. Program is consistent top 10 maybe top 5 even with poor QB play.
5. Yea I get mad at CLM at times--stated reasons in many threads. However, he is a class act and knows how to coach--excuse him for not being perfect.
6. Sometimes it is nice to vent our frustrations on this board.
7. Glad to have all of you guys/gals as tigerfans we all want LSU to succeed.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:48 pm to The312
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What a surprise, Choctaw the mindless sycophant, incapable of responding to my evidence and argument with any countervailing evidence and argument, resorts to empty and meaningless internet memes.
Only a dunce of the highest order would conflate "hatred for Miles" with a rational view of the evidence. Most human beings not in a vegatative state or languishing on life support would concede the simple fact that Saban is a better coach than Miles based on the evidence available to date. That's not hatred of LSU, that's just sanity. Put another way, my heart wants Miles to be better than Saban, but my mind can still perceive that it hasn't happened to date. If you can't see that, you are actually even dumber than I thought - and that's difficult to imagine.
i'll put it this way.....i don't give a phat rat phuk if Saban is considered better than Miles. So save your full page diatribes with all their "evidence" and step down off that high horse, son.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:49 pm to dljtigers
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Man r we gettin worked up on this post. 1. Everyone that states Saban is better doesn't hate CLM its just their opinion. 2. Yea CLM has had gameday screw ups--what coach has not had them. 3. Two things saved Bama last year--the mulligan and a better QB. (just a fact-otherwise we probably would have won our 3rd ship in 10yrs). 4. If you are not happy having CLM as your coach you are seriously reaching. Program is consistent top 10 maybe top 5 even with poor QB play. 5. Yea I get mad at CLM at times--stated reasons in many threads. However, he is a class act and knows how to coach--excuse him for not being perfect. 6. Sometimes it is nice to vent our frustrations on this board. 7. Glad to have all of you guys/gals as tigerfans we all want LSU to succeed.
I assume you meant to direct this post to someone else.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:50 pm to LSU92
quote:It shouldn't be.
Why is Miles worth as a coach only measured on the Nick Saban scale.
Miles has proven to be a great coach for LSU.
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