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re: Athlon Debate on Les as a Coach
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:59 am to TigerHoo
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:59 am to TigerHoo
quote:I think I may be able to translate for you.
Most of the commentators in that article have good things to say about Les. What am I missing?
OP has a super hard on for Les and basically over-reacts to any (even mild) criticism of Les with such vitriol that it basically renders any debate useless.
Happens a lot on here.
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:01 pm to Choctaw
quote:My point exactly. Im referring to the media. I love the guy myself.
quirky? yes
questionable? only by morons
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:06 pm to jdg91878
He is just getting what he deserves after the big egg that he laid in the BCSCG. The overall game plan and the lack of in-game offensive adjustments sealed his fate. LM can overcome his rep only by winning big games and eliminating the end-of-game shenanigans. Otherwise, he reaps what he sows.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:07 pm to lsusteve1
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Ya mean he used that great D to make our QB try and throw the ball......???
frickin Genius
Are you intentionally overlooking the offensive adjustments that Saban made, e.g. isolating taller receivers against our slot defender/nickel back, rolling the pocket early in the game to offset the pass rush, exploiting our LB's in coverage, lining up Smelley at FB, etc.?
By contrast, what offensive innovations did the LSU staff devise during the months leading up to the NC? A sneak dive to the fullback on a critical third and two? Brilliant.
Anyone who can't acknowledge that LSU's staff was badly outcoached in New Orleans is either delusional or mentally retarded.
And given that Saban handily beat Miles in the biggest game of the year the last time they faced one another, I can't conjure the self-righteous scorn necessary to condemn objective writers who hold that Saban is superior. It's not as if Athlon is taking some absurd position.
This post was edited on 6/5/12 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:11 pm to jdg91878
I agree that most of the writers had good things to say about Les, but a couple of them were way off the mark. For example, one wrote: "Miles has lost 12 games in four years, and with what could be perceived as the best roster in the nation, three losses per season cannot be perceived as the "best in the nation."
What an idiotic thing to say. Yes, 08 and 09 were a bit down, but we had 2 losses in 10, and only 1 in 11. And, while we certainly had one of the nation's best rosters over the past year or two, no one was saying that about the talent level in 08 and 09. This guy makes it sound like the program has regressed since the 07 title. (Shows how one can use accurate statistics to paint a totally warped picture of reality.)
What an idiotic thing to say. Yes, 08 and 09 were a bit down, but we had 2 losses in 10, and only 1 in 11. And, while we certainly had one of the nation's best rosters over the past year or two, no one was saying that about the talent level in 08 and 09. This guy makes it sound like the program has regressed since the 07 title. (Shows how one can use accurate statistics to paint a totally warped picture of reality.)
This post was edited on 6/5/12 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:14 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
One other point about the NC game. Yeah, we got our asses handed to us, and yeah, Les was outcoached. But to say the outcome of that one game outweighs everything else Les has done is ridiculous. Did people say that Bobby Bowden's reputation as a coach should be downgraded after he was thoroughly trounced by Spurrier's Gators in their NC rematch?
This post was edited on 6/5/12 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:23 pm to TigerCard
think the mere fact there is a debate whether Les is a good coach is insulting. To even engage the debate at this point is more dignity than the argument deserves.
Now, if the argument is “who is better, Miles or Saban?” that’s totally different. Saban’s got the hardware and I’d give him the edge, but I would point out he had more All-Americans than LSU has All-SEC players last season. Miles did more with less (which begs the question: why did Les have less?) But a debate on “good coach” is completely absurd.
Now, if the argument is “who is better, Miles or Saban?” that’s totally different. Saban’s got the hardware and I’d give him the edge, but I would point out he had more All-Americans than LSU has All-SEC players last season. Miles did more with less (which begs the question: why did Les have less?) But a debate on “good coach” is completely absurd.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:29 pm to Baloo
Athlon has Lane Kiffin in their top 10 coaches but no Les. Pretty pathetic ranking even considering our last game.
This post was edited on 6/5/12 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:31 pm to The312
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Are you intentionally overlooking the offensive adjustments that Saban made, e.g. isolating taller receivers against our slot defender/nickel back, rolling the pocket early in the game to offset the pass rush, exploiting our LB's in coverage, lining up Smelley at FB, etc.?
AJ made some great throws in this game...no doubt
And I did hear reports that Saban let the O-Coordinator devise the offensive gameplan with little interference. Having said this, Bama didn't catch LSU off-guard with these adjustments......our Offense and it's ineptness lost this game.
Defense played very well.....and AJ made some great throws that he didn't make in the first game.
If we would have been able to actually hit an open receiver in the secondary.....totally different game. JJ just couldn't do it.
And I also think our o-line got outplayed.....but that happens when they are gearing to stop the run and we can't throw.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:32 pm to lsusteve1
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(Funny, though, how Saban seems to get a ton credit for setting the table for Miles at LSU while Miles gets none of the credit for setting the table at Oklahoma State for Mike Gundy
Thank god for someone to point this out
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:33 pm to The312
quote:
Are you intentionally overlooking the offensive adjustments that Saban made, e.g. isolating taller receivers against our slot defender/nickel back, rolling the pocket early in the game to offset the pass rush, exploiting our LB's in coverage, lining up Smelley at FB, etc.?
By contrast, what offensive innovations did the LSU staff devise during the months leading up to the NC? A sneak dive to the fullback on a critical third and two? Brilliant.
Anyone who can't acknowledge that LSU's staff was badly outcoached in New Orleans is either delusional or mentally retarded.
And given that Saban handily beat Miles in the biggest game of the year the last time they faced one another, I can't conjure the self-righteous scorn necessary to condemn objective writers who hold that Saban is superior. It's not as if Athlon is taking some absurd position.
I dont think any reasonable person will sit here and say Miles is a better coach than Saban. That would be ridiculous. However there isnt a single other coach in the NCAA better than saban so an article that was supposed to discuss Miles as an elite coach mainly used Saban as a comparison to discuss Miles' flaws. No Miles wont match up pound for pound with saban but no one else will. Essentially much of their permise was flawed. Yes the OP overreacted but the article was supposed to be whether he was an elite coach not the best coach in all of football.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:36 pm to jdg91878
Well the massive egg he laid on Jan. 9th set him back quite a bit. I still think he's a good coach but it will take him a long time to re-gain the credibility he lost from a national standpoint for that game alone, and for good reason.
This post was edited on 6/5/12 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:38 pm to jdg91878
I never saw the so called expert writers busting on Big Game Bob and he's shite the bed in the BCSCG several times.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:39 pm to lsusteve1
AJ made about 4 throws that were PERFECT. They changed the game.
I don't know if Miles was outcoached. He imploded himself it seems more. Kind of like unforced errors. Whether Bama did something Miles wasn't expecting or bad QB play, IDK.
The way 1/9 trumped us beating Bama in their house, so can we trump them in the collective conscience when LSU smokes them at home, then wins the BCS. Simple.
I don't know if Miles was outcoached. He imploded himself it seems more. Kind of like unforced errors. Whether Bama did something Miles wasn't expecting or bad QB play, IDK.
The way 1/9 trumped us beating Bama in their house, so can we trump them in the collective conscience when LSU smokes them at home, then wins the BCS. Simple.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:39 pm to otowntiger
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I still think he's a good coach but it will take him a long time to re-gain the credibility he lost from a national standpoint for that game alone.
i say it takes him approximately 7 more months
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:50 pm to jdg91878
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jdg91878
Athlon Debate on Les as a Coach
I also love the fact the National Media continues to credit Les Miles success to the Roster and Recruiting Base. As if Nick Saban doesn't have the same advantages, with TTown in middle of Georgia and Florida.
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Here's something I do agree with the OP on.
If this is true, then did not Hallman, Archer, and Dinardo have the same advantages? I don't think they won 80% of their games, played in 3 SECCGs and 2 BCSCGs?
And actually, Saban has outrecruited Miles over the years, not by much, so that isn't an excuse either.
This is probably the same National media that says Brees has only put up great numbers, won, and set records because he is a 'system' QB.
Ok, so I guess what he did in San Diego was just...a fluke?
And I guess the Mannings, Rodgers, and Brady's "systems" are stick figures drawn on the sidelines with their big toes ??????????
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:51 pm to TigerCard
quote:
One other point about the NC game. Yeah, we got our asses handed to us, and yeah, Les was outcoached. But to say the outcome of that one game outweighs everything else Les has done is ridiculous. Did people say that Bobby Bowden's reputation as a coach should be downgraded after he was thoroughly trounced by Spurrier's Gators in their NC rematch?
And we have the winner. Also, don't forget the great 13-2 loss to Oklahoma a few years later. That one was with a heisman winning QB. Bowden's Fla St was absolutely considered elite for 20 years. The media never disrespected him after these championship games the way Miles has been treated.
As for the media, show me the teams you want to line up that you think are capable of beating Miles' LSU teams. Your list pretty much stops after you name Alabama, a team which Miles has beaten multiple times. The truth is that Miles LSU team is the only thing that stands between Alabama and a dynasty. Nobody else in the great SEC can even be considered on that level at this point in time 6/5/2012.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 12:58 pm to jdg91878
quote:
Athlon Debate on Les as a Coach
seems pretty spot on to me, they guy has legitimate flaws.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 1:02 pm to LSU92
Those circumstances are gone forever. There will never be another chance to go down as the best college fb team in history. He blew it by being stubborn. Alabama should not have been in the game anyway. They didn't even win their conference but Miles opened the door for that to happen by saying he would be honored to play them again. Honored? Please.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 1:12 pm to growler
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There will never be another chance to go down as the best college fb team in history.
This statement is pure media bull shite. The will crown another team as the greatest of all time within the next five years. That's how they roll.
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He blew it by being stubborn
He had two subpar QB's and it finally did him in. There is absolutely nothing to indicate Lee would have done anything but shite the bed like he did his whole career against alabama. That said, Miles should have made the switch because he had nothing to lose at that point. Nobody will ever really know what happened to LSU leading up to that game. I personally believe LSU was DOA before they even got to the stadium and it was due to internal conflict on the team.
This post was edited on 6/5/12 at 1:13 pm
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