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Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:53 pm to The312
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Didn't...some...other...little...thing...need...to happen for Bama to be the champion? Namely, didn't ALABAMA NEED TO BEAT LSU IN THE ACTUAL NC GAME. Yes! And that's precisely what occurred. 21-0. Because Saban and staff outcoached Miles and company. Badly. Are you blaming the media for the 21-0 result? Did the media devise the gameplan? Did the media make playcalls? Did the media determine what personnel to use? Did the media stubbornly play JJ? No.
In 1996, Bobby Bowden lost his rematch game to Florida by 32 points. My question is does/did Bobby Bowden suck as a head coach?
The year before Spurrier lost the title game 66-24. Again I ask, does Spurrier suck as a head coach?
This post was edited on 6/6/12 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:54 pm to The312
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Finally, I have to chuckle and shake my head in chagrin at those posters who put so much emphasis on the 3-3 head to head record between Saban and Miles.
When you have those expressing the opinion that Miles is a "mediocre gameday" coach while NS is the best "gameday" coach in the game, the head to head match up is a very important factor. imo
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Literally every single objective criterion of championship caliber football favors Saban.
As does the years in the SEC Nick has had to compile these "objective" criterion...right.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:54 pm to dljtigers
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General post to everyone your post just happened to be last one.
Cool, I pretty much agree with you.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:55 pm to The312
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LOLOL. My god, man, aren't you overlooking one minor fact in your crazy, deluded screed?
I'm neither crazy nor deluded.
Miles BEAT Saban in Saban's most important game of the season in 2011. What was so hard to understand about that? At that point of the season, LSU had already beaten more top ranked teams (on the road) than Saban's team would play that had winning records.
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once the media allegedly "conspired' to put Bama in the game. That's not so.
Really? So what did Saban's 2011 team accomplish to deserve the Mulligan? Losing their most important game (at home) or NOT winning their conference, much less their division. What did they do, exactly, to garner Saban being on the most viewed CFB program literally BEGGING for a second chance to beat that idiot Miles?
I'm listening....
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Didn't...some...other...little...thing...need...to happen for Bama to be the champion? Namely, didn't ALABAMA NEED TO BEAT LSU IN THE ACTUAL NC GAME. Yes!
Yes, and again, I ask the same question I asked above:
What did Bama do to warrant the unprecedented mulligan?
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Are you blaming the media for the 21-0 result?
Hardly. You are purposefully being obtuse, but that's ok. Other posters recognize this and have called you out on it as well.
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The ACTUAL RESULT of the game on the field wasn't the product of media meddling...it was the product of sh*tty coaching and execution on one side of the turf. And THAT is why Saban has the overwhelming and indisputable statistical advantages I cited
So, losing to Les Miles and JJ in 2010 AND in 2011 was part of the genius Saban's long term plans of taking over the role as being CFB's best coach? Wow, he is more brilliant than I could have ever imagined. Thanks for pointing this out.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:58 pm to Prominentwon
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So what happens if Miles goes undefeated this year with an SEC Champ. and a Nat'l Champ.? Than you have......
And what if Saban wins an SECCG and an NC this season? That's certainly not out of the question. Then the delta between the two grows even larger in Saban's favor.
Point being, your self-serving hypotheticals are speculative nonsense. We here in the land of reason like to make judgments based on actual empirical evidence of things that have actually occurred in the actual real world up until the actual present moment. And by that standard, Saban's better at this point. There's no shame in admitting this.
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Get Saban's balls out of your mouth, he left LSU.....don't be "that guy" and dream about the day he may come back. You're basically a scorned woman
Errrr, I certainly never said I thought or hoped Saban would one day come back. I don't. I'm not sure why you can't distinguish between hope and observation. I hope that one day Miles is the better coach (or that LSU has a better coach than Saban, whatever his name may be). But I rationally observe he is not on this day. Very straightforward. The vast, vast, vast majority of dispasstionate college football pundits agree with me. You're just having difficulty getting past your natural partisan love for Miles and hate for Saban (which is understandable for an LSU fan, but not particularly helpful in the realm of argument). It's your reaction that is emotional, not mine. Im just looking at the raw, indisputable championship numbers.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:00 pm to The312
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Point being, your self-serving hypotheticals are speculative nonsense.
Fact still remains that the numbers between the two remain comparable. Not some huge canyon that you're making it out to be.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:04 pm to Prominentwon
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Fact still remains that the numbers between the two remain comparable. Not some huge canyon that you're making it out to be.
I think you underestimate the difference between three national championships and one! That's seems pretty big to me, but let's set that aside.
At the very least, you do - I believe - recognize that Saban is the better coach? Put aside the magnitude of the delta for a moment. You would agree that the evidence indicates Saban is a better coach that Miles on this day, June 6, 2012, yes?
This post was edited on 6/6/12 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:14 pm to The312
quote:Anyone who doesn't is either in denial or is letting their grudge against Saban speak for them.
At the very least, you do - I believe - recognize that Saban is the better coach? Put aside the magnitude of the delta for a moment. You would agree that the evidence indicates Saban is a better coach that Miles on this day, June 6, 2012, yes?
Saban is probably considered one of the best CFB coaches of all time.
Miles may be at some point as well, but for now he should be considered one of the current great coaches - he's earned that.
I think Miles has more years left in his tank than Saban as well (age factor, demeaner).
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:15 pm to The312
at this moment Saban is considered the better coach. That isn't even the point of this thread but you sure were quick to throw Saban into the discussion.
Next time i talk to Nick i'll see if he'll text you a dick pic. you can blow it up, frame it, and hang it over your fireplace
Next time i talk to Nick i'll see if he'll text you a dick pic. you can blow it up, frame it, and hang it over your fireplace
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:20 pm to Choctaw
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at this moment Saban is considered the better coach. That isn't even the point of this thread but you sure were quick to throw Saban into the discussion.
Um, actually, it was. Come on, man. Go back and read the original post. It explicitly discussed Saban vs. Miles. The OP took issue with Athlon's characterization of the relative merits of the two. I didn't "throw Saban" into the discussion. He was there from the very first post. Check it out.
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Next time i talk to Nick i'll see if he'll text you a dick pic. you can blow it up, frame it, and hang it over your fireplace
Thanks, man. That is both a kind and gentlemanly offer. Don't go to too much trouble, now.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:25 pm to The312
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At the very least, you do - I believe - recognize that Saban is the better coach?
I don't think anyone here disagrees with that. Yes, Saban is a small notch above Miles at this moment.
Again, our point is this:
It is NOT the wide margin you, nor the Saban loving media makes it out to be. I don't get why this is so hard for you and other Miles haters to get over.
Again, without the benefit of an unprecedented Mulligan, these numbers would be closer, in some cases dead even, and in others, Miles would be ahead.
You've still yet to address my question:
Why did a "genius" head coach need a Mulligan to beat a moron? If Saban was so superior, shouldn't his 2010 and 2011 teams have taken out LSU in the regular season.....you know...when "every game counts"? Why does a genius need a second chance to prove he's a genius? A second chance that "the moron" never would have gotten.
That's my issue with this article (along with putting Petrino above Miles) and all you other Saban lovers. Brilliant coaches destroy morons in every matchup.
Hell, Saban's 2009 team needed to have LSU's second team offensive skill position players out of the game in the fourth quarter, along with some convenient home cooking to seal that game. Shouldn't a genius have dominated this one as well?
What about Bama in 2008? Genius Saban needed a Freshman QB to throw FOUR picks (one for a pick 6) and OT to beat arguably the moron's worst team since he took over LSU.
Oh wait, I forget: This is all part of Saban's plan to prove he's a genius. Along with losing to ULM and blowing a 24-0 lead against an arch rival in Tuscaloosa as well.
I could go on and on.
This post was edited on 6/6/12 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:30 pm to zip25
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So you think Miles is a better coach than Saban? I agree that Miles doesn't get the respect he may deserve, but can you really disagree with anyone who says that Saban is clearly the best coach in the SEC?
I don't think it's as "clearly" one way or the other as you presuppose.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:30 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Oh wait, I forget: This is all part of Saban's plan to prove he's a genius. Along with losing to ULM and blowing a 24-0 lead against an arch rival in Tuscaloosa as well
People forget this one. The media and fans would have nailed Miles to the cross if he had this kind of screw up.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:34 pm to The312
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National Championships: Saban 3 Miles 1 SEC Championships: Saban 3 Miles 2
SEC West Titles: Saban 4 Miles 3 Overall
Undefeated Seasons: Saban 1 Miles 0
Undefeated Regular Seasons: Saban 2 Miles 1 Overall One-Loss Seasons: Saban 2 Miles 1
The 312's a-hole: Saban: 1 312: O
Get your heads out of your asses guys. If y'all would pay attention, I wouldn't have to step in and take this douche`s stats to task. That list up there is very impressive, on both sides. The issue I have with it (and you) is that you put it together with considerably less thought than the exquisite vocabulary you waltz around the facts with, trying to bring everyone over to your assinine conclusions. Les Miles has been coaching in the SEC for 7 years, Satan, now a staggering 10. This directly affects SEC Championships, SEC West Titles, and National Championships. 7/10 isn't exactly apples to apples. National Champions, Bojabu, WTF? SEC has the championship on lockdown, every team in the SEC has afforded itself a chance to get to the BCSCG, simply by being in the SEC. So by default, the team that wins the SEC goes to the 'ship (and even some that don't even have to play for the title go to the BCSCG). So I argue that the only fair way to argue BCS national championships is to take a snapshot of Saban currently vs Miles three years from now, or when they both complete their tenure in the SEC. Otherwise, it's like comparing Bobby Bowden as he retires vs. Bo Pelini. Well, looking at it by the numbers (the same type 312 uses here), I'd take Bowden, even though he's got one foot in the grave and isn't even coaching. 66 years from now, maybe Pelini will have similiar numbers, maybe he won't. But he has to be given a chance to put those numbers up, which is why %'s are the key, genius.
Wins/Losses since joining SEC:
Saban: 103-28 or 78.63% Miles: 75-18 or 80.65%
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:36 pm to LSU92
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The media and fans would have nailed Miles to the cross if he had this kind of screw up.
But see, this is where you losers fail to recognize Saban's brilliance! Geniuses lose their most important games of the season. Like a snake, they wait in the grass for their lobbyists in the media to get another chance....then...
BAM! They strike down and defeat the morons that beat them the first time.
This is what geniuses do. Yurrr jus to stooopid too c it.
Sincerely,
The312, CFB Media, Miles Haters
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:37 pm to bojabu
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Get your heads out of your asses guys
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comparing Bobby Bowden as he retires vs. Bo Pelini.
Do you mean Jimbo? He and Bowden actually were/are head coaches at Fla St.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:42 pm to bojabu
OK, but what does the comparison of the Nebraska coach and a legend mean in all of this. 
Seriously, you do make a legit point about the years between 7 and 10.
Seriously, you do make a legit point about the years between 7 and 10.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:46 pm to LSU92
It's a comparison between a promising younger coach, and someone who's been around longer, not coaches at specific schools. And, the age difference is exaggerated to show how stupid I believe 312's reasonings to be.
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