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re: Athlon Debate on Les as a Coach
Posted on 6/5/12 at 8:50 pm to Adam Banks
Posted on 6/5/12 at 8:50 pm to Adam Banks
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No Miles wont match up pound for pound with saban but no one else will
And yet Miles is 3-3 over the last 6 meetings with Satan. So apparently Miles can't hold Sabans jock with regards to coaching, and yet Saban can manage to only win 50% of the time against a much inferior coach.
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 8:50 pm to Thunder Tiger
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it would've been one of the best overall seasons ever.
yeah, but I think there's a difference between running the table against the toughest schedule ever and being the best team ever. 01 Miami didn't play a top 10 team until their bowl game, but their talent is why ppl generally include them in the discussion for best ever.
if we'd finished 14-0, you'd have heard a lot of "yeah, but their QB situation..." when that team go brought into a best ever discussion. toughest schedule, no doubt. best ever, probably not.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 9:15 pm to ATLTiger
maybe les believed what the negaturds wanted: an undefeated season, a n.c., and les fired.
maybe les wanted to stay at lsu just to frick w/ the negaturds??
maybe les wanted to stay at lsu just to frick w/ the negaturds??
Posted on 6/5/12 at 9:51 pm to Thunder Tiger
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umm, this yr's team?
Check the schedule. Have to pull off a lot of 62-3 games
Oregon@Jerryworld/@UWV/Northwestern St/West KY>>>>>>>>>>>> Wash/Idaho/Townsend/TUNT
Posted on 6/5/12 at 10:04 pm to jdg91878
Les has always been a mediocre gameday coach with very limited game management capability.
He's a great recruiter, manages the team fine, makes good hires(mostly), is funny and lets his assistants do more than they probably should. He needs good hires all around him. That doesn't make a great gameday coach in my eyes. Saban has proven he can make mediocre hires and pick slack up in those areas...that's a great gameday coach. Les reminds me of Mack Brown...basically a figurehead for LSU. That's why he doesn't get respect by the national media. He's not a hands-on type of coach. It is what it is.
Does that make Les a bad coach? No. Is he a top 10 CFB coach? Maybe. Is he a elite gameday coach? I'd say no there. Lets be real...I've seen a lot worse in a successful program. He could've Coker'd our program but he's managed it fine. Miles isn't a program builder. Saban is. Nobody is on the level of Saban in CFB though. Just the way it is. That doesn't make him invincible though.
He's a great recruiter, manages the team fine, makes good hires(mostly), is funny and lets his assistants do more than they probably should. He needs good hires all around him. That doesn't make a great gameday coach in my eyes. Saban has proven he can make mediocre hires and pick slack up in those areas...that's a great gameday coach. Les reminds me of Mack Brown...basically a figurehead for LSU. That's why he doesn't get respect by the national media. He's not a hands-on type of coach. It is what it is.
Does that make Les a bad coach? No. Is he a top 10 CFB coach? Maybe. Is he a elite gameday coach? I'd say no there. Lets be real...I've seen a lot worse in a successful program. He could've Coker'd our program but he's managed it fine. Miles isn't a program builder. Saban is. Nobody is on the level of Saban in CFB though. Just the way it is. That doesn't make him invincible though.
This post was edited on 6/5/12 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 6/5/12 at 10:43 pm to deuce985
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Les has always been a mediocre gameday coach
Way overstated, and complete bullshite. Les has won many close games.It's ok not to like him, but don't make idiotic statements just to make them.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 10:50 pm to Stevo
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Way overstated, and complete bullshite
Not really. Great recruiter OK coach. But in College recruiting is at least 85%.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 10:55 pm to Lithium
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OK coach
Wow. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but yours is in the minority.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:07 pm to Stevo
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but yours is in the minority.
You sound like a democrat. Most people don't think he's a great coach
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:16 pm to Lithium
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Most people don't think he's a great coach
You can't even follow up with your own bullshite. Most do think he's a great coach, and so do most national pundits. But that's not the debate you and the other poster started. Y'all said that he is just an average or ok gameday coach, which is bullshite and a minority view. I never said that he's a great gameday coach, but he's certainly not just average.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:20 pm to Stevo
So what late game decision in a big game has ol' Les called?
and telling Mo Claiborne to return the kickoff vs West Virginia for a touchdown doesn't count
and telling Mo Claiborne to return the kickoff vs West Virginia for a touchdown doesn't count
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:25 pm to Lithium
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So what late game decision in a big game has ol' Les called?
Wow...off the top of my head try 2007 Florida, 2007 Auburn, 2008 Auburn, 2010 @ Florida. And that's without thinking too hard.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:26 pm to jdg91878
He gets all the credit in the world for putting the pieces in place, but still has "oops" games where he just waits for a player to change the flow of the game.
Not an elite Xs and Os guy by any stretch of the imagination.
Not an elite Xs and Os guy by any stretch of the imagination.
This post was edited on 6/5/12 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:32 pm to The Mick
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1/9 set him back 2 years imo (national media perception)
LSU was 13-0. What was Les supposed to do, abandon the style of play that won every game they played? Because that is what it would have taken for LSU to beat Alabama that night.
Why does Les get criticized for sticking with what was successful all season long and losing against a repeat opponent, but Bill Belichick gets a pass for doing the same thing against the Giants when the Patriots were 18-0? The team that lost the first game made adjustments, and those adjustments were enough to slow the other team's offense to well below the first game performance.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:36 pm to Lithium
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Most people don't think he's a great coach
As long as he continues to have a great record and it's gotta be great cause it's the best in college football since 05 for wins while coaching in the most powerful conference in college football, I couldn't care less what those "most people" think.
BTW, how do you know what "most people" think?
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:37 pm to Stevo
Sounds like that's another opinion saying "it's in the minority". A lot of people would agree he's a mediocre gameday coach. He's not a great game manager or Xs and Os type guy. I think that's been proven more than enough with his time at LSU...
He has way too many brain farts during a game to be considered a great gameday coach. When Les is bad in a game, he's REALLY bad and just leaves everyone perplexed.
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He has way too many brain farts during a game to be considered a great gameday coach. When Les is bad in a game, he's REALLY bad and just leaves everyone perplexed.
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:42 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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BTW, how do you know what "most people" think?
Exactly. I think he's an exceptional coach.
He has his little quirks but the results speak for themselves.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:56 pm to Poodlebrain
Citing Belechick as an example caused my neocortex explode.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:58 pm to jdg91878
I agreed with everything you said except comparing Les to Saban. What does this have to do with Les not getting enough respect from the media? Many LSU fans have this obsession with Nick. Stop the comparisons. I get the point you are trying to make and agree but Les has not won 3 National Titles and done it with 2 different teams. How many college football coaches in history can say that. Les just needs to keep winning and doubters will shut up.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:09 am to The Mick
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Miles with no QB
This is always forgotten. CLM's accomplishments/struggles in the 2008-2011 seasons were with Lee/Jeffereson/Crowton (mostly). Let that sink in a bit.....
Wirh a good OC/QB coach/QB (Stud/Krag/Zach) if the offense shows major firepower I think the perception of Les will begin to change, rightfully so. I've never praised him for this, nor do now. As HC is is ultimately responsible for QB recruiting and staff hires for those kids. I do point out what he in fact had to work with. All this talk of poor coaching 1/9/12 is built on premise of a viable option B. Are we sure he had an option? Lee, who threw 2 picks, and much worse, had that deer in the headlights look 11/5/11? This was the option? Well, press on Les, I'm behind ya 100%. That being said...if the O struggles this year...let's hope Chavis sticks around for another 10 years.
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