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Buda
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Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
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Just food for thought....
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Fat Bastard
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
SB nation has been HUGE apologists for ages. nothing new.
anyone with any football sense knows it is just NOT the OL. scheme has tons to do with it also


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MightyYat
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
It is the fricking scheme. It no way shape or form should the offensive staff ever put Burrow under the fricking center to run those 6-hour long developing play-action plays. Quick passes, WR & RB screens, true RPOs...... there are ways to mask an average o-line. I'm sick of hearing that shite.


abellsujr
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
If you think we could not be more productive with a better scheme, then you're blind.


BlackAdam
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
I dont think anyone is saying there isn't a talent gap between LSU and Bama. It is not so significant that we should expect the results we have seen in the two games Ensminger has called.

You dont think USL, Arkansas, or any of Bamas other opponents wouldnt swap lines with us in a heartbeat? They would.

The issue is we know there is a talent gap, and we still try to out talent them. E could have done things to help the ohlone and Joe. He could have tried bubble screens and other quick developing plays. Instead on third and 2 we were running up the gut.

That is an issue of scheme.


Tigerstark
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
If your scheme requires an outstanding OL to run it, its not really much of a scheme. You can run almost anything if you have a bunch of 5 star OL.

The point is, E knew he didn't have a bunch of 5 star ol, and that we'd struggle in a lot of games, and hasn't built a scheme around that.

Yes, we need a better OL. But we have what we have - and the scheme isn't good enough even with a better OL.

Bama didn't stand still with just a great OL and one dimensional scheme. They've continued developing a great scheme that mixes power running, timing and precision passing, creating space for playmakers, some misdirection and big plays into the highest scoring offense in the nation. That's with their starters barely playing in the second half. Think about that for a second - they could be averaging 80+ points a game if they kept going for 4 quarters.



Abe1961
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
That explains the o-line issues. What about the scheme?


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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
Great news. Since talent gaps are all that matter, LSU has nothing to worry about until bowl season.


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CP3forMVP
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
It's scheme, coaching, and players. Not just one. There is more than enough blame to go around.


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CoastTrashTiger
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
Proves the "its scheme" crowds point even more.

You can scheme around a poor offensive line! There are things you can do at the college level to help the QB while at the same time keeping the defense off balance.

That article just spelled out whatever one already knows, its been a team issue on offense.


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GeauxTigerTM
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
I actually have to hand it to the football ops building. This narrative came flying out of that building by the time Hannagriff hit the airwaves 90 minutes after the game. They weren't fast enough with it to get Hunt Palmer & Marlon Favorite to run with it even as the official post game show. Those guys were legit critical, and pointed to flaws in the scheme.

Then...boom. Official narrative hit the streets and lo and behold, it's taken root.

Say what you will about the football acumen of this bunch, but they sure as shite understand the PR and politics of it.


AlxTgr
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
Fantastic article. Thanks


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ellessuuuu
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You can only coach the players you have. If your O line cannot block 4 DL's long enough for a 5 step drop on a slow developing pass play...STOP TRYING IT!!

Good coaches find their advantages and coach to it, on Saturday (and for the last 8 years) we have stubbornly ignored our weaknesses and refused to adjust. The PA play from our own 10 yard line when we had rushed for single digit yards is a prime example of that.
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kingbob
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Is this really an either/or question? I mean, obviously this line has been struggling all season, even against Southeastern. They've had depth issues for two years resulting from multiple recruits that have not panned out, transferred, or gotten injured. It doesn't take being a brain surgeon to see that Bama has better depth.

However, with that said, it's also obvious that the scheme wasn't doing the already suspect line any favors. There are ways to mask a mediocre offensive line by putting your QB in the shotgun and running a West Coast style offense with quick timing routes. If the line is struggling to block, the QB needs to get the ball out of his hand as quickly as possible. They didn't do that. Plus, they wasted nearly every first down running straight into the teeth of the defense for usually 2 or less yards. It clearly wasn't working, but they kept doing it anyways.

The real crime was not going spread west coast tempo when it was clear the stand-up approach wasn't working. The one series they ran tempo was one of the best series for the offense before a penalty and a reversion of play calling resulted in a punt. Tempo is how you beat a team that has more depth than you because it keeps them from being able to use it through substitutions. More tempo would have worn out Bama's D-line allowing the LSU o-line to appear stronger as the night wore on.

They didn't do this. LSU instead ran an offensive game plan that maximized Bama's strength's and exposed the Tigers' own weaknesses.
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Philzilla2k
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
quote:

The point is, E knew he didn't have a bunch of 5 star ol, and that we'd struggle in a lot of games, and hasn't built a scheme around that.

LSU should fire the recruiting coordinator then, he’s done a shitty job


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Fat Bastard
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
quote:

If your scheme requires an outstanding OL to run it, its not really much of a scheme. You can run almost anything if you have a bunch of 5 star OL.


right, i mean if we got NFl all pro quality lineman out the gate shite then we could probably pound bama all game. scheme be damned but we will never have that. thus we need a scheme and we had one last year


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TigerbaitTigerbait
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
This article is spot on . A bad offensive line is the weakest link to any offense. The “ we have a crappy O line scheme” only puts a cheap band aid on the situation. Defenses will just plan accordingly to “ crappy o line scheme.”


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tigerinthebayou
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
So no offensive coordinator in the country could've gotten this offense to be ranked any higher than 100's because of the o line? Complete bull shite.


Choupique19
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
So the talent gap between lsu and bama led to a 29-0 Tide win.

The talent gap between lsu and southeastern led to a 31-0 win that included a completed hail mary for 7 lsu points.


One must conclude that Bama's talent gap over LSU is as large as LSU's talent gap over Southeastern.



LoveThatMoney
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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
If you want to beat Alabama with our current scheme, you have to out-recruit them, particularly in the trenches. Period. And you won't be able to because they can give the middle finger to recruiting rules.

So you have to scheme around their strengths. That's how Big Game Bob Stoops beat them. That's how Freeze beat them and how Malzahn beat them. You can't simply line up and allow a 4 man rush to get to the quarterback in 2 seconds and destroy the pocket in any scheme, but you damn sure can't do it when you're doing play action nonsense that takes an eternity to develop and is predicated on your line being able to block a 4 man rush while freezing safeties and linebackers.
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