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Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:44 am to ffishstik
If Orgeron runs him off after one year, it really creates pressure on Orgeron to find a successor who produces impressively from day one.
Being an effective leader/ manager is an important part of being a HC. The jury is still out on Da Coach O, but there are warning signs about his managerial abilities and judgment.
Being an effective leader/ manager is an important part of being a HC. The jury is still out on Da Coach O, but there are warning signs about his managerial abilities and judgment.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:44 am to ffishstik
I don't understand why anybody would care?
If you are anti - O this is next step in his failure and replacement
If you are pro O he got this
what am I missing?
If you are anti - O this is next step in his failure and replacement
If you are pro O he got this
what am I missing?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:45 am to ffishstik
quote:
Norm Chow's offense, and I'm good with that.
The Air Raid Offense is a shotgun spread, pass-first offense designed by Hal Mumme and Mike Leach while they were at the University of Kentucky in the 1990's. The core concepts were originally developed by LaVell Edwards and Norm Chow...his playbook is available online. We could just down load it ?
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 9:53 am
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:51 am to Hot Carl
quote:
2017 LSU OFFENSE
54th—Total Offense
72nd—Scoring Offense
100th—Red Zone Offense
This is ignorance at its finest. Canada was dealing with the remnants of Miles offensive philosophy and its recruits. And on top of that, a HC that was meddling in his game preparation. And still did better than Ensminger
2016:
71st - Total offense
68th - Scoring offense
56th - RZ possessions resulting in TD (improved to 49th under Canada)
18th - Offensive efficiency (improved to 16th under Canada in '17)
40th - Offensive possessions not resulting in a turnover (Canada had LSU as the 11th best team. Bama was #1 in 2017)
Canada has LSU ranked 18th in the nation in offensive success rate, and 4th in the nation in down efficiency behind only OK, OSU, PSU
LSU was ranked 46th and 11th last year in those categories
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 9:58 am
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:55 am to DiehardLSUZach
quote:
Just curious if he’s still on board with this team or still searching for another place?
My inside sources tell me that-
Wait. I have no inside sources.
Never mind.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:05 am to Hot Carl
quote:
2017 LSU OFFENSE
54th—Total Offense
72nd—Scoring Offense
100th—Red Zone Offense
That’s knowing what’s going on on the offensive side of,the ball? That’s accceptable production for $1.5 million?
That's the concerning thing. I was 100% on board with the Canada hire and saw what he was able to do in his 1st year at Pitt against teams like Clemson and Penn St. That never happened here. Was our talent not on par with Pitt? That's laughable.
I was excited to see us use the TE like he did at Pitt. We didn't. I wanted to see consistency in the passing game. It didn't happen. I wanted to see us more diverse in run/pass. Didn't happen. I wanted to see more screens to WR and RBs. Minimally happened. I wanted to see red zone offense become more effective. Nope.
Still after all that I do want Canada to stay because I do think he can improve the offense given more time. He's just gone from being "offensive savior" to a "decent OC". Maybe that changes year 2. I hope so.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:08 am to thelawnwranglers
quote:
I don't understand why anybody would care?
If you are anti - O this is next step in his failure and replacement
If you are pro O he got this
what am I missing?
You're missing the people that are fans of LSU regardless of who the coach is. It's objectively not a good thing for LSU to initiate and have consistent upheaval at the OC position when we hired a coach with absolutely zero offensive background or at the very least any idea of what kind of offensive identity/philosophy he hopes to instill in the program.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:18 am to Tommy Patel
Norm Chow was innovative, but I'm not referring to the Air Raid offense, I'm talking about the offense that he ran under Pete Carrol. Start with a big, physical o-line. Have a dynamic running back tandem that are both physical runners, but bring slightly different looks (think White and Bush at USC, Kamara and Ingram with the Saints or even Guice and Williams this year). Big bodies receivers, at least one of which has speed to stretch the field and a QB with the arm talent to get the ball to them. Then run a balanced run/pass attack, often using the pass to set up the running game.
Protect the QB, have a QB that is mobile, but you want him to buy time with his legs to allow receivers to get open, not take a lot of runs and a lot of hits. Use the whole field. He also used a lot of screens, wheel routes and check downs to the RB and TEs.
Norm Chow's offenses at USC weren't about slinging the ball all over the field like the Air Raid. It really did look a lot more like what Sean Payton runs when he has the O-line and RBs that he wants.
All of that said, the question was what is O's offensive philosophy and I believe that the above description lays that out. He understands that for all of that to work, you need a big, physical O-line that can protect the QB and open running lanes and we're seeing that emphasis with this year's class.
Protect the QB, have a QB that is mobile, but you want him to buy time with his legs to allow receivers to get open, not take a lot of runs and a lot of hits. Use the whole field. He also used a lot of screens, wheel routes and check downs to the RB and TEs.
Norm Chow's offenses at USC weren't about slinging the ball all over the field like the Air Raid. It really did look a lot more like what Sean Payton runs when he has the O-line and RBs that he wants.
All of that said, the question was what is O's offensive philosophy and I believe that the above description lays that out. He understands that for all of that to work, you need a big, physical O-line that can protect the QB and open running lanes and we're seeing that emphasis with this year's class.
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 10:28 am
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:24 am to RobbBobb
quote:Be very careful. Presenting truth and facts around here may get you banned. In any case you will certainly be hated.
This is ignorance at its finest. Canada was dealing with the remnants of Miles offensive philosophy and its recruits. And on top of that, a HC that was meddling in his game preparation. And still did better than Ensminger
2016:
71st - Total offense
68th - Scoring offense
56th - RZ possessions resulting in TD (improved to 49th under Canada)
18th - Offensive efficiency (improved to 16th under Canada in '17)
40th - Offensive possessions not resulting in a turnover (Canada had LSU as the 11th best team. Bama was #1 in 2017)
Canada has LSU ranked 18th in the nation in offensive success rate, and 4th in the nation in down efficiency behind only OK, OSU, PSU
LSU was ranked 46th and 11th last year in those categories
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:30 am to nitwit
quote:
but there are warning signs about his managerial abilities and judgment.
What warning signs are these?
Did his judgment to hire a super bowl winning O-line coach trigger some kind of alarm?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:30 am to BBATiger
quote:
There is a 0.000% chance you will get an accurate answer to your question.
So you're telling me there's a chance?!
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:37 am to Tiger Ree
quote:
Did his judgment to hire a super bowl winning assistant O-line coach trigger some kind of alarm?
Cregg is a solid hire but let’s try not to intentionally distort facts.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:46 am to MOT
If he can't distort facts how else is he going to sunshine pump for Coach O?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:47 am to Tiger Ree
quote:
Did his judgment to hire a super bowl winning O-line coach trigger some kind of alarm?
Jesus, you are pathetic. Even the staunchest of critics agree that was a good, possibly great, hire.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:50 am to whitefoot
quote:
Matt Corral
Bad example. We never even offered Corral. Baldwin either.
Sooooo....... Canada's landmark recruiting trip out west was to visit with someone we never even offered. Well, at least he has that going for him.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:52 am to adamb2151
N/m
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 11:06 am
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:54 am to nitwit
If Canada does in fact leave and Orgeron replaces him with Ensminger then Coach O's days as LSU's head coach will soon be over. That's a guarantee!
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:54 am to MOT
quote:
Cregg is a solid hire but let’s try not to intentionally distort facts.
What FACTS are being distorted?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:57 am to lsu2006
quote:
Jesus, you are pathetic. Even the staunchest of critics agree that was a good, possibly great, hire.
Not saying otherwise. I'm just questioned the person I responded to as to what warning signs are present in Coach Eaux's managerial abilities and judgment.
No need to get your panties in a wad.
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