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re: Anti-Pears: Asking for logic

Posted on 3/27/26 at 7:59 pm to
Posted by Mats86
Member since Mar 2021
6198 posts
Posted on 3/27/26 at 7:59 pm to
Well, I suppose it depends on what you are defining as elite.
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
844 posts
Posted on 3/27/26 at 8:20 pm to
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I asked FIRST 12 YEARS of their career. It's not "kinda random'' THAT IS HOW LONG WADE HAS BEEN A HEAD COACH. You can only FAIRLY compare Wade to the first 12 years of a career.

After next year, you can only compare the first 13 years of a career. It's not difficult to understand.


It's dumb to only compare the last 12 years. A coach can suck, and get much better, especially as the game has changed. In addition, some of the elite coaches haven't coached for 12 years yet. If Wade coaches for 60 years, are we only supposed to compare him against coaches that have coached for 60 years to determine whether he is among the elite? At that point you may not be able to find ANY coach that has coached 60 years and that has a better record simply because no one has ever coached that long. Once you have coached for at least 5 years, you have enough of a record to make an assessment, so using the exact number of years that Wade has coached is a ridiculous metric. Regardless, the list is essentially the same. 10 have way more than 12 years, and Nate Oats has 10 years. Does that mean Nate isn't as good as Wade?

John Calipari - over 30 years
Bill Self - over 25 years
Rick Petino - about 50 years
Randy Bennett - 25 years
Tom Izzo - about 30 years
John Becker - 14 years
Sean Miller - 21 years
Kelvin Sampson - over 25 years
Nate Oats - 10 years
Matt Painter - over 20 years
Thad Matta - over 25 years

I didn't add many of the other elite coaches that I gave earlier that don't meet the metric, because when they are added, the list is about doubled. None of this means that Wade isn't a good coach, but I think a lot more goes into a coach's record, besides how good of a coach he is. I don't think Wade is an elite game coach, but he is very talented at recruiting and creating excitement.
Posted by TNTigerman
James Island
Member since Sep 2012
12073 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 5:08 am to
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What structured offense should he run, mane?

Something more than dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble...... ISO, shoot, one and done, rinse and repeat.

A little ball movement would be nice.
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
4993 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 7:04 am to
Oates has clearly achieved more than Wade in his 10 years than Will has in 12. The coaches don't have to have the exact same years served for a comparison, if you've ALREADY surpassed that coach's achievements in fewer years. Hell, Steve Fisher at Michigan achieved more in ONE NCAA tournament than Wade has in 12 years as a HC.

It's just absolutely unfair to compare Wade to any coach with more than 12 years, UNLESS you just take the coach that your comparing Wade to in his first 12 years. I don't understand how you fail to see this. Wade or anybody else can't make time move faster or slower.

You also made the statement that after 5 years as a HC you have enough of a record. Check out coach K's first 5 years as a HC and compare it to Wade's first 5.

Posted by mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
4577 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 7:20 am to
WW is an established as a good coach. Nothing great. LSU basketball has been in the ditch for a very long time. Cautiously optimistic
Posted by lovinLSU
lafayette
Member since Nov 2007
14757 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 7:39 am to
I’m glad LSU got Wade back but my main concern was seeing McMahon gone..hearing SEC & ESPN brag & lie on this bum thinking he was a great fit for LSU basketball and stating how many times he went to the NCAA tourney blah, blah, blah, never stating it wasn’t with LSU other than an NIT Appearance in one yr out of four all becuz he sucked and they wanted LSU to continue to suck..Good Riddance…let’s get the Wade party started…
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26661 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 7:44 am to
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out he was on his way. He took a beat arse LSU team and in the course of just a couple of years turned it into a team that could compete with anyone. They may have not won every game, but they were competitive, and they won enough to be a consistent tourney team.

The trajectory was there. We were heading in the right direction, and we were probably one more good recruiting class from being at the cusp of really fricking good.
Posted by GeauxTigers1410
Member since Sep 2020
2046 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 8:13 am to
I think you are trying to create animosity where there is none. There are very few people who do not think this is an exceptional hire.
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
8949 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 8:20 am to
My logic is we will never get past the sweet 16 with tPear.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
14666 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 8:39 am to
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No one is expecting championships or even Final Fours. We just want to be able to be in the tournament each year and then see what happens because anything can happen once you are in the tournament.



That is exactly what Wade said

I want to keep us (LSU) competitive and in the hunt. One day, when the stars are aligned, and we get hot at the right time, we will have a chance to win it all.
He example was Baylor, after they won their championship in 2021.

Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35520 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 8:45 am to
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Something more than dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble...... ISO, shoot, one and done, rinse and repeat.

A little ball movement would be nice.


You don't get extra credit for the amount of passes you make, nor an assist on a made basket. Ask Minnesota. They led the nation this year in highest rate of assists per made basket. They finished 15-17 with the 85th rank offense

Putting the ball in the basket and not turning it over are the two most important things. Until 2022, Wade's LSU teams did that better than 90% of the country. This year NC State was the 23rd most efficient offense.

Offense has RARELY been the issue for Wade. It's more often been the defense...which has generally made his team imbalanced...which is why there has been a cap on the success. Balance is the key to greatness. Look at the 8 teams still playing. They are ALL ranked in the top 40 on offense and defense.

To his credit, McMahon recognized balance was key. And his LSU teams were, in fact, often balanced. Unfortunately, that balance was they sucked equally on BOTH ends of the floor.
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
12929 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 10:48 am to
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I feel like the only thing an LSU fan should have against Will Wade is that he was so sloppy on the phone. That is just fricking dumb of Wade.


How so? These kind of conversations occurred all the time with coaches regarding recruiting. Why the hell would any coach anticipate the FBI was recording the phone call for matters unrelated to recruiting. He never said anything that could establish guilt for a recruiting violation. You can interpret the comments any way you want but there was plausible deniability in the comments. Before you come in with paying out of his wife's bank account, that occurred at a previous job and was not LSU related.
This post was edited on 3/28/26 at 11:15 am
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
7365 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 11:13 am to
Shut your mouth, we could’ve got a mid-major Coach that won 56 games in 2 years and coached a future NBA MVP- oh that’s a great idea
This should work out Wunderful
Posted by IntenseKid
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2014
3377 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 12:04 pm to
This is a great question to ask.

I love basketball, almost if not more than football. Something different about being at a game in a packed deaf dome.

But, even if Wade isn’t an elite coach or whatever the argument is. It is proven he can 1) make the tournament each year, 2) fire up a fan base and fill seats 3) make basketball fun again.


I will now try to plan my activities with the kids during the week and the plans on weekends during the season around the basketball schedule.

He is just as good and probably better than anyone else we can get. We could go hire Saint Louis coach and have same outcome as McMahon.

Wade fits in. It’s a homerun hire and they know it.

frick em
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
40491 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 12:42 pm to
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He brought this all on himself and is not a martyr
He's a good, not great coach
LSU likely couldn't get a better coach in the market
I never thought he'd be back for a host of reasons
I'm glad he's back
NIL has changed things, the SEC is insanely competitive, and i think it will be difficult for him to repeat the success he had earlier at LSU, but i hope he does



Absolutely nailed it. Was a lazy hire but wish him the best. I guess great recruiter,average x and o guy is better than what we had.
Posted by Jim Hopper
Ocean Springs Mississippi
Member since Sep 2019
5101 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 12:49 pm to
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Was a lazy hire
name an established coach LSU could’ve gotten
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70301 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 12:57 pm to
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Was a lazy hire but wish him the best.



Dishonest, flip flopping, cuck
This post was edited on 3/28/26 at 1:02 pm
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108318 posts
Posted on 3/28/26 at 2:04 pm to
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How so? These kind of conversations occurred all the time with coaches regarding recruiting.

The head coaches aren't the ones on the phone having those conversations. You use a middle man. He was sloppy, incredibly sloppy.
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