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re: Analyzing The Dip in Batting Average in SEC Play
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:25 pm to doubleb
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:25 pm to doubleb
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Obviously getting hits is important, but there is more to scoring runs than just your batting average
Yep, Lester is just wallowing in shared self pity after a disappointing weekend. Making pretty useless points on cherrypicked stats which consist of two major issues: 1. it removes the two best players on the team and 2. it covers on an incomplete offensive metric instead of, for example, looking into OB% or slugging.
At this point of the season, we know what the team is and isn't. They're going to consistently put up runs, we know that. Outside of Skenes, their arms are going to be inconsistent and we will walk people. They are capable of winning a national championship or getting eliminated if the bats go cold and pitching remains consistent. Just watch and try to enjoy.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 2:27 pm
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:36 pm to LSUminati
Lester did bring some good stats to the table, and he used them to point out the drop in production up and down the batting order. Abd look at the discussion, it’s been pretty good.
And you have to know Johnson is looking at all of this. But I doubt he looks at batting averages as much as contact rate, exit velo, and how many good ABs a guy has. He knows how much injuries have impacted Dugas, Kling and Morgan. He probably is all over Crews’ slump. He’s got to be thinking about the best nine hitters and who has to play where. The man is 100% on top of it.
But first thing he’s got to be looking at is our pitching.
And you have to know Johnson is looking at all of this. But I doubt he looks at batting averages as much as contact rate, exit velo, and how many good ABs a guy has. He knows how much injuries have impacted Dugas, Kling and Morgan. He probably is all over Crews’ slump. He’s got to be thinking about the best nine hitters and who has to play where. The man is 100% on top of it.
But first thing he’s got to be looking at is our pitching.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:49 pm to Lester Earl
We've got 3-4 guys that absolutely have to be better (at the plate) for LSU to win it all.
Thompson, Beloso, Dugas & Jones
Everyone outside of Skenes, Hurd, Guidry & Riley (Pitching)
Thompson, Beloso, Dugas & Jones
Everyone outside of Skenes, Hurd, Guidry & Riley (Pitching)
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:06 pm to doubleb
I don't really care too much about average, it just so happens LSU's top 2 hitters have the best average.
But I also added the slash line for context.
Right, but scoring the most runs in the SEC doesn't guarantee you anything. You come away with 11 runs in a weekend series and you can start tying the poor play to certain situational issues that may be have not stood out as much earlier in the year.
But I also added the slash line for context.
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. The bottom line is to score runs.
Right, but scoring the most runs in the SEC doesn't guarantee you anything. You come away with 11 runs in a weekend series and you can start tying the poor play to certain situational issues that may be have not stood out as much earlier in the year.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:08 pm to LSUminati
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it covers on an incomplete offensive metric instead of, for example, looking into OB% or slugging.
scroll to the bottom of the first post
Also, no made you click on this. Stop crying
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:30 pm to Lester Earl
Has already been said a bunch of times in this thread but the fact that you're comparing LSU's lineup without their two best hitters to the rest of the league's full lineup makes zero sense. Id imagine this is just to get a rile out of posters so since this is already 6 pages, good job on that.
LSU is widely considered the best offense in the country and being at the top in most offensive categories this deep into the season only validates that. What you saw this weekend which probably sparked the idea for this thread was an aberration.
The only real concern with the team moving forward is will there be enough pitching to take us all the way. Much better analysis would have been to compare LSU pitching without Skene's to the rest of the league.
LSU is widely considered the best offense in the country and being at the top in most offensive categories this deep into the season only validates that. What you saw this weekend which probably sparked the idea for this thread was an aberration.
The only real concern with the team moving forward is will there be enough pitching to take us all the way. Much better analysis would have been to compare LSU pitching without Skene's to the rest of the league.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:32 pm to lsutiger2
Don’t read it
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:33 pm to Lester Earl
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Right, but scoring the most runs in the SEC doesn't guarantee you anything.
Certainly not. Wd sll know the old adage, pitching is 90% of the game. Just because we lead the SEC in runs scored doesn’t put a ring on your finger.
In 2022 Ole Miss was 8th in batting average and third in runs scored and won it all. You don’t need to lead the league in average to have a top team. I do think you have to have better pitching than we have overall to win it all. One pitcher by himself can’t do it. And average pitching would look better if we didn’t help the opponent via errors.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:40 pm to doubleb
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In 2022 Ole Miss was 8th in batting average and third in runs scored and won it all. You don’t need to lead the league in average to have a top team
Do you think this team is peaking, or in position to peak offensively going forward?
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:44 pm to doubleb
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In 2022 Ole Miss was 8th in batting average and third in runs scored
they only won 13 league games and made the tournament by the skin of their teeth. Legit 1 bad Mikhail Hilliard inning away from firing their coach. I wouldn’t really use them as an example in this lol
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:47 pm to Not Cooper
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they only won 13 league games and made the tournament by the skin of their teeth. Legit 1 bad Mikhail Hilliard inning away from firing their coach. I wouldn’t really use them as an example in this lol
The point is you can site all the stats you want because in the end it doesn’t really matter. You have to win every weekend, or it’s over abd just because you did or did not do it before doesn’t mean you can’t do it next time.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:49 pm to Lester Earl
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Do you think this team is peaking, or in position to peak offensively going forward?
I don’t think half of our guys have peaked. Crews probably has and Whiit too, but I think any of the others could blow it wide open.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:54 pm to Lester Earl
I think the numbers are important and bear consideration. As the pitching woes continue, the team will rely more and more on offense to win. If pitching is lights out, Crews and White can carry you, but when it's not you need everyone else to pitch in and that hasn't been happening.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:01 pm to Damone
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Crews and White can carry you, but when it's not you need everyone else to pitch in and that hasn't been happening.
Maybe not this weekend. But they may have been compared to the rest of the league. But we dont know that because this thread is based on misleading stats.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:02 pm to doubleb
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The point is you can site all the stats you want because in the end it doesn’t really matter. You have to win every weekend, or it’s over abd just because you did or did not do it before doesn’t mean you can’t do it next time.
Statistics absolutely matter. Of course there is always a possibility of having a bad day or a bad weekend, but better statistics (higher BA, OBP, OPS) means it is less likely to have a bad day. That’s just how statistics work. It doesn’t eliminate the possibility at all.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:08 pm to Big4SALTbro
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If Jay fails to get us to a super then we have to view it as a bad year and the pressure on him should start to heat up some.
That’s pretty idiotic even for the tRant
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:11 pm to Damone
Pitching and defense (not hitting) will determine how far we go in the post season. We may need to move Dugas to DH but I'm not sure who can take his place at 2nd. He clearly has a serious arm injury. Maybe try Kling again?
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:22 pm to Not Cooper
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Statistics absolutely matter. Of course there is always a possibility of having a bad day or a bad weekend, but better statistics (higher BA, OBP, OPS) means it is less likely to have a bad day. That’s just how statistics work. It doesn’t eliminate the possibility at all.
Correct, but it doesn’t mean you can’t have a bad day if a bad weekend or tourney. Stats do not determine champions. The outcome of series snd tournied do.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 6:38 pm to subidc
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Jobert is a liability in RF and is not hitting good this year anyway
Its like JJ thinks the 18 HR Jobert is gonna show up all of a sudden? I may be wrong & it just seems like it but Jobert is a “Rally Killer” & seems to always do the opposite of what you need from him.
And thats just at the plate, he adds absolutely nothing as an Outfielder & is an obvious defensive liability.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 7:17 pm to doubleb
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The point is you can site all the stats you want because in the end it doesn’t really matter. You have to win every weekend, or it’s over abd just because you did or did not do it before doesn’t mean you can’t do it next time.
This logic is off. Of course there are no guarantees. But your chances get exponentially higher if you are good team all year.
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