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re: Analyzing The Dip in Batting Average in SEC Play

Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:11 pm to
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:11 pm to
Please please tell me you still think MiGOATzo is a liability at the plate.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:12 pm to
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I'm not a batting average guy but this gives you an idea of a bat-to-ball profile. These guys have dipped off noticeably.


Then why concern yourself with batting averages? What you want to look at iruns scored. That’s what pays off.

A&M 26 runs scored road
Ark 29
Tenn 28
SC 13 (just 2 games) road
Ky 33
Miss 22 road
Bama 33
Aub 11 road

We had a poor weekend. It’s not complicated. It’s nothing that’s trending other than we score more at home than on the road even though we get fewer at bats.

Road 6-1/2 runs per game
Home 10 plus runs/game
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:14 pm to
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And even bigger decision on whether you can have Milazzo in the lineup with some of these guys, at the expense of travinski,



Travenski, with maybe the exception of White, is the hottest hitter on the team right now. Knowing the type of streaky hitter he has been, you have to ride him while he is hot. Even at the expense of Milazzo or Beloso sitting.

Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:45 pm to
I’m a process oriented guy. That’s why.

Runs can be scored in a number of ways not always reflective of quality hitting.


Also if you score 33R vs Alabama and 11 vs Auburn, you are still sitting pretty nice if you say you scored 44 runs in 6 games. The compiled run total is great but a few crooked number games can weigh it up or down
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:48 pm to
No shite. They don’t have grinders. Give me .289 a-hole hitters that grind and do all of the little things to put pressure on a defense over a Yankees line-up that can only win with the 3-run homer.

Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:50 pm to
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- Finally, crunching some numbers, if you remove Crews and Tommy White from the statistics in SEC play, LSU, as a team, hits .243.

League average in the SEC is .265

why don't you remove the top 2 hitters from every lineup and then run the SEC averages
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:54 pm to
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Give me .289 a-hole hitters that grind and do all of the little things to put pressure on a defense over a Yankees line-up that can only win with the 3-run homer.


Be honest. How much did it bother you that Skip never played small ball while winning 5 national titles on the backs of playing power baseball? Our 1997 team had 4 sac bunts the entire season
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:13 pm to
Let's be honest, we need Crews to be above average. He's 2 for his last 14. He's not even getting on base much. We don't need Crews to hit .500. We need him to get on base, hit .333 when he gets a chance, not leave too many guys on base.

Tre has been fine.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:31 pm to
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Runs can be scored in a number of ways not always reflective of quality hitting.


Exactly right and why using batting average of all but the two best hitters as some kind of definitive measurement is sketchy.
We can spin it all kinds of ways , but the bottom line is we had a bad weekend. One bad weekend scoring runs. Nothing more.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:42 pm to
You don’t dip this much from one bad weekend. You are too caught up on me removing the two best players. It’s open to interpretation but to flat out dismiss that there has been a decline is ignorant


Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:51 pm to
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but to flat out dismiss that there has been a decline is ignorant

Can you do these numbers for the entire SEC? I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess every team has had a significant decline on offense because, you know, they’re playing better teams
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 5:22 pm to
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Be honest. How much did it bother you that Skip never played small ball while winning 5 national titles on the backs of playing power baseball? Our 1997 team had 4 sac bunts the entire season


Every team he had had grinders like Fontenot and Theriot. The 1991 and 1993 teams were nothing but grinders before gorilla ball.

They always had a great mix of grinders and MLB talented pitchers ogea, byrd
And others.

Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64570 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:21 pm to
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Every team he had had grinders like Fontenot and Theriot.

What do you think Thompson and Morgan are?

And Fontenot wasn’t a “grinder” in college. He was a power bat and hit home runs. He struck out A LOT, which was a running theme for Skip’s teams.
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The 1991 and 1993 teams were nothing but grinders before gorilla ball.



Hate to break it to you, but Jay built this team and structures his offense a lot like Bertman did. What you want is Mainieri’s coaching and style of play with Johnson’s roster. No thanks
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 6:33 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84997 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:26 pm to
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why don't you remove the top 2 hitters from every lineup and then run the SEC averages
This has been brought up multiple times. He’s ignored it.
Posted by TexasTiger33
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:49 pm to
This thread has been great fun to follow. Thank you all.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:52 pm to
With no hot take rebuttal I’ll just assume you mostly agree with the thread premise
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:36 pm to
Alot of that is natural regression. Im optimistic that we’ve won as much as we have with the offense dipping. If there is one thing im not worried about, its the offense
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278306 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:42 pm to
The offense is fine in vacuum. But there isbt room for regression with the pitching & defense how it is.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 8:43 pm
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 9:09 pm to
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The offense is fine in vacuum. But there isbt room for regression with the pitching & defense how it is.


I would agree with that assessment if we assume there’s no room for improvement in those areas. LSU’s fundamentals on the pitching side in conference suggest they’ve been somewhat unlucky in terms of ERA. They are 5th in BA allowed, 6th in BB/9, 2nd in HR/9, and 1st in K/9. That should translate to better than 7th in ERA. Their WHIP and HRs allowed are almost identical to Kentucky (with better K/9) who is 2nd in conference play at 4.77 in ERA (vs 6.06 for LSU). Arkansas is 4th at 4.98 with a very slightly better WHIP, but fewer Ks and 42 HR allowed to only 24 for LSU. SC is at 5.37 with a little better WHIP but 38 HR allowed. There appears to be a lot of room for positive regression in runs allowed. And that’s before factoring in potential improvement from Hurd and Floyd and more innings for Money (currently at 4.26 in conference play).
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24328 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 9:13 pm to
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What do you think Thompson and Morgan are?

How many steals, bunts, etc?

Those teams had far more of them.
quote:

He was a power bat and hit home runs. He struck out A LOT, which was a running theme for Skip’s teams.

Look at the doubles and triples and average during the NCAAs. Not all the HRs but a crazy high 400+ average.

Besides all of that all of his teams until 1996 and those after 1998 didn’t have all the “power” due to the bats. They were average hitters.
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