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josh336
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
Sounds like bregman cheated, players should receive some punishment here


Erin Go Bragh
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
Didn't Altuve swear up and down that he knew nothing about the stealing of signals? Said he would never cheat.

It seems like reversing his position is a sign of weaseldom.


lsufball19
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
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for me it was always an ego and power play by MLB because Rose never bet against the team, so he had to always give it his best...not to justify, but the punishment seems harsh

That's one way to look at it, but another way is how did his betting on his team affect his decisions during games to better ensure his team covered the spread? Maybe leaving a pitcher in longer than he would otherwise, risking potential injury.

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Those critical of Rose's behavior, including Ohio's own Hall of Fame baseball reporter, Hal McCoy, have observed that "the major problem with Rose betting on baseball, particularly the Reds, is that as manager he could control games, make decisions that could enhance his chances of winning his bets, thus jeopardizing the integrity of the game."



It's also worth noting that betting as a player/manager is akin to insider trading. He knew things the betting public wouldn't possibly know and could use that to his advantage when making his bets, not to mention he was wrapped up with the freaking mob in his gambling. Records showed he was several hundred grand in debt when he was banned from baseball. The mob-connected bookie he worked with was sentenced to federal prison.

And no one can definitively assume he only bet on his team. We're basing that purely on what Rose said and a notebook seized from his bookie (who's to say he didn't place bets with other bookies). This is the same guy who denied he bet at all for almost 20 years. He didn't "come clean" until he did so in his autobiography released in 2004. Further, he still denied betting as a player....until that court sealed notebook was discovered in 2015 that showed he did, in fact, bet on games as a player.

Not trying to get on a soap box, but I just find the "he only bet on his team" to be a short-sighted argument for him.


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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
Alex be like:



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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
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Peter Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.


Yes he should

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He bet ON his team.


Still doesn't mean he didn't manipulate the game. He could do things as a manager that he normally wouldn't do to try to get a win on the night he bet on his team.

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Peter Rose should be in the Hall of Fame


Yes he should


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LSURussian
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
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Didn't Altuve swear up and down that he knew nothing about the stealing of signals? Said he would never cheat.
I don't know. I haven't followed all of the comments very closely.

I just saw the article that I linked in the OP from the online version of the Baton Rouge Advocate.

ETA: I do remember someone accused Altuve of not letting his teammates tear his shirt off when he hit a walk off homerun because they thought he was hiding some electronic device under his jersey and he denied that was the reason. He said something about being embarrassed to bare his chest, or something like that.
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VermilionTiger
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
Bregman is a colossal douche, but he’s good at baseball

100% of the people on this board would agree with the above statement if he didn’t play for LSU


wahoocs
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
For those that have followed this, a CF camera picking up the signs from the C has been a given.

Acknowledged by all.

That knowledge being used to signal the batter about an incoming pitch using electronics has NEVER been acknowledged by anyone.


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dgnx6
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
Hes a cheater now. Hes sorry they were caught. Not for cheating.



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LSURussian
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
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That knowledge being used to signal the batter about an incoming pitch using electronics has NEVER been acknowledged by anyone.
And neither I nor the article I linked claim otherwise.

A video camera feeding into the dugout is an electronic piece of equipment.


mwade91383
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
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You're completely wrong here. You don't think there is a huge difference when you know a curve ball is coming and if you know a change up is coming?


This. Ask anyone who played even remotely competitive baseball. Huge advantage for the hitter.


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dgnx6
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
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This is like 10 girls having sex and one gets pregnant. She looks like the ho when in truth all 10 were ho's.


Yeah, and Bregman is a cheater.


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LSURussian
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
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Bregman is a colossal douche
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100% of the people on this board would agree with the above statement
I wouldn't. Every time I've interacted with Bregman he's always been very polite and cordial.

What did he say to you that makes you believe he's "a colossal douche"??


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lostinbr
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
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It's also worth noting that betting as a player/manager is akin to insider trading. He knew things the betting public wouldn't possibly know and could use that to his advantage when making his bets, not to mention he was wrapped up with the freaking mob in his gambling. Records showed he was several hundred grand in debt when he was banned from baseball.

If he had an unfair betting advantage over the general public, why was he hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt?


wahoocs
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
Thank you for pointing out that the camera and monitor are electrical devices.

Sorry I felt the need to mention buzzers

Obviously, I'm the only one who read it that way.


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GamecockUltimate
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
which makes no sense. Its time for baseball to realize that Pete has gotten a far harsher treatment than about anyone else.

heck even the black sox got a worse treatment. Match fixing vs Match fixing by cheating... one is worse but not by the margin that baseball ruled upon


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lsufball19
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
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If he had an unfair betting advantage over the general public, why was he hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt?

because he bet on a lot more than just baseball games, not to mention a fat, several hundred thousand dollar debt from the IRS after he was convicted of tax evasion for his failure to report not only gambling earnings but also earnings from selling autographs and memorabilia.
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HuckFinn
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
It's 2020
We have the technology, they should do the same thing they do in Pro Football and let the coach talk directly to the catcher and pitcher via earpiece etc. It doesn't need to be that hard. We're not in 1890 anymore.
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NYC TIGA
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re: Alex Bregman apologizes for the Astros stealing signs using electronic means
All Ayers need to be suspended 1 yr if not longer, titles vacated and owner forced to sell to set this modern blacksox scandal right. Also, Bertram, Cora and the manager banned for life


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