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re: A QB "going through progressions" is old methodology. Tua doesn't do it.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:15 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:15 am to Buckeye Jeaux
This is the dumbest damn thing I've read regarding offense on the rant, and that is pretty bad. You basically say they don't use progressions unless the primary target isn't there. THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF PROGRESSIONS!!!
Burrow just didn't look confident throwing to his primary most of the night and held the ball WAY to long. Against Bama you have 3 seconds if your lucky, and if your primary isn't there you might come to your second progression, but then you're toast if you don't throw it away or have a running lane to scramble.
Burrow's biggest problem against Bama besides the poor protection/blocking was that he lacked confidence to run the ball with authority. He had zone read keeps available and had the chance to tuck and run out of the pocket a few times, but tried to move around and buy time instead. He looked lost, and that's coaching.
Burrow just didn't look confident throwing to his primary most of the night and held the ball WAY to long. Against Bama you have 3 seconds if your lucky, and if your primary isn't there you might come to your second progression, but then you're toast if you don't throw it away or have a running lane to scramble.
Burrow's biggest problem against Bama besides the poor protection/blocking was that he lacked confidence to run the ball with authority. He had zone read keeps available and had the chance to tuck and run out of the pocket a few times, but tried to move around and buy time instead. He looked lost, and that's coaching.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:17 am to Buckeye Jeaux
LSU stil haven't adapted to modern day football. If Saban can adapt why can't LSU
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:17 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I know You’re getting downvoted but I agree that we probably ask our QB to do a lot more than most QBs.
A lot of college football is designed plays, RPOs which is a 1 read play, and passing plays that cut the field in half.
If you’re asking a QB to do what they’re doing on Sunday you’re gonna have issues.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:24 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Haskins has a light-years better receiving corps. 5 or more will be drafted. And a much better passing scheme from Wilson/Day.
I won't debate you on that as I don't follow OSU that much.
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And I think Haskins/Burrow are about equal in passing ability.
No.
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Haskins throws all fastballs,
I guess
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Burrow throws with touch
No
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I give the edge to Burrow on field decisions and rushing
That is too broad because if you are wrapping internal clock with field decisions then hell no Burrow is not better than Haskins.
Stats that prove this...
Haskins has nearly 100 more passing attempts which can be partly attributed to him converting more on 3rd down extending drives in addition other things as playing in a better offense.
Haskins has 32 passing TDs with 6 int
Burrow has 6 passing TDs with 4 int
Rushing Burrow has out performed Haksins hands down but that is because he is more of a dual threat. The problem I have when you say decision making is Burrow has taken 23 sacks already this season and I know most of that is on our oline and play calling but Burrow does tend to hold on the ball too long.
Haskins has rushed for 45 yards 1 TD and taken 10 sacks
Burrow has rushed for 243 yard 4 TDs and taken 23 sacks
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And I really thought Burrow's WR's would get in sync, but they haven't. They are not elite level WR's. No two ways about it. Below average, at best.
Etling put far better numbers with about the same talent level on offense and we pegged him as a game manager nothing more. I will say the same for Burrow for now. He is a game manager. Grant it he hasn't had much time at LSU but for me this season he is a game manager and he is not better than Haskins, not by a long shot.
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Put Haskins in this O with these WR's and the results would be about equal, IMO.
I highly doubt it they are not as bad as you are letting on. Our receivers go against the best DBs in the country throughout the season. If we put OSU wrs against sec dbs they would look exactly the same.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:26 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Most of the time they do not. Progressions are "plan B
You realize you are arguing your own point here man.
By definition, plan B is a progression
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:27 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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I don't doubt he said that to the press, but that is not what he does. He's not surveying the field unless the quick-hit target is covered.
That is the definition of a progression.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:28 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Most of the time they do not. Progressions are "plan B".
LMAO so you admit you know nothing about football?
Progressions have always been plan b,c and d.
Why would any qb look past his primary if it is open?
Do you think Drew Brees holds that ball just to see if his check down is open when his primary is open?
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:28 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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ONLY if the primary is covered do they go thru progressions.
You just described "going through progressions". Dumb...
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:29 am to Buckeye Jeaux
This might be the dumbest post I've read since the loss on Saturday, and that's saying something.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:36 am to Cracking
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This is the dumbest damn thing I've read regarding offense on the rant, and that is pretty bad. You basically say they don't use progressions unless the primary target isn't there. THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF PROGRESSIONS!!!
No, moron. I said some OC's require QB's to look at ALL WR's BEFORE throwing to the primary - even if the primary is open - they make him see if a WR is MORE open for MORE yards, instead of just firing the ball. I've said it 4 times.
This post was edited on 11/5/18 at 9:39 am
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:38 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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A QB "going through progressions" is old methodology. Tua doesn't do it.
C'mon, man. Tua had time for a cup of coffee and a smoke between snap and throw on most of his passes.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:39 am to TigerDat
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LMAO so you admit you know nothing about football?
I played a little D1 ball at WR. How about you?
This post was edited on 11/5/18 at 9:48 am
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:42 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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A QB "going through progressions" is old methodology.
You’ve been in hiding for a while regarding your lord and savior burrow. This is what you finally attempt to come back with?
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They have a primary receiver before the snap. They hit him quick. ONLY if the primary is covered do they go thru progressions.
Exactly how is this different from this “old method” of progressions that “most top college programs have dropped” you fricking moron?
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Ensminger has Burrow stalled (on every pass play) with a method older than E is.
Ah, there it is. You’ve moved on from blaming the wrs and the OL to blaming the play calling. I guess that would be the natural progression of things, and yes I mean that in the “old method” sense.
All of this in a continued attempt to spin joe burrow as a top 5 quarterback in college football. He ranks near the bottom in the sec in just about every passing category. He’s completing 53% of his passes, his ypa is terrible, and the only touchdown he threw in the month of October went to the other team. Army’s qb is putting up better numbers.
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Elite 2018 QB's
Lsu does not have an elite 2018 qb.
He’s not a top 5 quarterback or anywhere close to it. He’s not as good as Haskins or Tua or anywhere close to either of them. He’s an average quarterback, and the best quarterback at Lsu since mettenberger. And that’s something the vast majority of people are happy to have at Lsu. Your constant need to make him appear better than he actually is does far more harm than good.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:45 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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I said some OC's require QB's to look at ALL WR's BEFORE throwing to the primary - even if the primary is open - they make him see if a WR is MORE open for MORE yards, instead of just firing the ball. I've said it 4 times.
good thing Burrow is not doing this.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:48 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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I'm sure Saban said, "Now Tua, when you go on TV, make sure you tell the interviewer exactly how we scheme things."
Alabama has the best offense in the country. What seems more likely:
Saban and Tua are so concerned with other teams figuring out how to stop them, they hatched an elaborate plan to intentionally throw off opposing teams.
Or
Buckeye Jeaux is a fricking moron.
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Wrongo Bongo. I see your a real student of the ins an outs of the hurry-up offense. LOL
The guy that doesn’t know what a passing game progression is is calling out other people’s football knowledge.
This post was edited on 11/5/18 at 9:49 am
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:48 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Did you ever think that maybe the reason Tua locks in ons primary receiver is because he's generally open and thus Tua doesn't need to go through progressions? Plus his wide receivers are very fast and talented combined with Tua is a very accurate passer so he can just generally make the throw to the primary receiver
This post was edited on 11/5/18 at 9:50 am
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:52 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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The old method is to survey the D and all the receivers and choose the best option. Tua/Haskins/others are firing fast to the primary (unless solidly covered).
So there was never a primary receiver until Kevin Wilson “invented” the concept a few years ago?
And you have the nerve to question and mock other people’s knowledge.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:57 am to boxcar willie
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Did you ever think that maybe the reason Tua locks in ons primary receiver is because he's generally open and thus Tua doesn't need to go through progressions? Plus his wide receivers are very fast and talented combined with Tua is a very accurate passer so he can just generally make the throw to the primary receiver
Do a little homework on up-tempo offenses. The Kevin Wilson style of up-tempo features doing away with making offensive decisions based on a defense's alignment. Wilson's scheme flips this concept. He (and Locksley) are skipping the time-consuming obligatory QB progressions, except in extreme cases. Or when the play breaks down.
This post was edited on 11/5/18 at 10:06 am
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:17 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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I played a little D1 ball at WR. How about you?
There is definitely no reason to believe this.
But even if it is true, all it does is point more towards you being a moron. Football players can be good at playing football without knowing anything about football. Fehoko offered an excellent example of this after the game.
LINK
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:41 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:I'm not buying that at all.
Some old school OC's make QB's look at all other WR's before throwing to the primary.
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