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re: A QB "going through progressions" is old methodology. Tua doesn't do it.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:14 pm to docsoloman1
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:14 pm to docsoloman1
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IMO, progression is not something you want to do. You read the defense, and either go with your play or check off. If your primary is covered, or protection breaks down, then you progress to secondary, safety valve, or pull it down. Mind you, all this happens in just a few seconds. Crazy.
The problem is that a few seconds is too long. Tom Brady gets rid of the ball in the 2.1 to 2.25 range. Payton Manning was about the same.
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Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:21 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I think progressions has been plan B since the invention of the foraward pass.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:24 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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They have a primary receiver before the snap. They hit him quick. ONLY if the primary is covered do they go thru progressions.
so.....exactly like the mediocre High School i played for in the early/mid 90s?
man, we were WAY before our time.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:34 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:Mostly combo routes like Smash, etc. for different covers, MOFO MOFC, and the PSR keys the most profitable route.
They have a primary receiver before the snap. They hit him quick. ONLY if the primary is covered do they go thru progressions.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:36 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Tua doesn't do it.
This is false. Tua does it, and is quite good at it.
You lost any and all credibility in your title. Carry on.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:43 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
It started with Jordan Jefferson. He didn’t go through any progressions. Maybe Les was the actual leader of this ingenuity. Hmmm.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:20 am to Buckeye Jeaux
You have no clue. There is plenty of film Tua going thru progressions and hitting his 3rd receiver. Of course his O line isn't shite like LSU's and gives him time to do it.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:54 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:We'll there is one modern difference than the old Knute Rockne forward pass type of play where you decide that your throwing to a guy...
Haskins doesn't do it either. Most top college passing programs have dropped that mess.
They have a primary receiver before the snap. They hit him quick. ONLY if the primary is covered do they go thru progressions.
Ensminger has Burrow stalled (on every pass play) with a method older than E is. Get rid of the damn ball! Screw the progressions! Elite 2018 QB's make the defense react to them - not the other way around.
and that is it isn't called from the sidelines. The QB identifies that receiver pre-snap. Usually the guy who will have a 1-on-1.
That's all Tua is doing, looking for the 1-on-1 matchup and throwing to a place in that route where he was most likely to get the most separation.
It is not decided in the huddle.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:34 am to I20goon
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and that is it isn't called from the sidelines. The QB identifies that receiver pre-snap. Usually the guy who will have a 1-on-1.
That's great, as long as the D hasn't given a decoy look (which is most of the time these days).
The new alternative is to make the D react to your offense.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 3:19 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 4:56 am to Buckeye Jeaux
How a Hall of Fame QB used to read defenses... (pretty damn funny)
LINK
Maybe some HC's/OC's over-complicate things?
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Maybe some HC's/OC's over-complicate things?
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 5:04 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 5:15 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Some old school OC's make QB's look at all other WR's before throwing to the primary.
No one does this, and no one has ever done it.
You might be confusing looking off the safeties with going through progressions.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 5:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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you probably are also someone who said the very offense Bama runs would never win anything in the SEC
It's not the offense, its the players. Put Tua in a pro-style and go 3, 4, and 5 wide, with those players and you get the same production.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 5:22 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Man, the low post count brigade is really out in force this week.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 5:23 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Has nothing to do with how he read defenses.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 5:49 am to Spotswoode
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No one does this, and no one has ever done it.
You might be confusing looking off the safeties with going through progressions.
I wouldn't say no one does it. It's the origin of the term "happy feet". Over-analysis kills the passing game.
I think coach E has Burrow pondering the secondary, looking for wide open receivers, instead of throwing into tight (but achievable) windows on quick hitters.
Belichick has it right. Throw a ton of quick hitters to RB's, Slot receivers, and TE's. And then the wide-open long routes will open up. This season, RB White has 81 targets, Edelman has 44, and Gronk has 43. No Wideout is close to this many targets.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 5:53 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 6:08 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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I said some OC's require QB's to look at ALL WR's BEFORE throwing to the primary
Lmao, no they don’t, that’s stupid. I know your mama told you to not go with the crowd and all that and to think for yourself, but in this instance you’re completely and 100% wrong.
All pass plays are designed to go somewhere, one receiver depending on where the defense aligns presnap will be the primary receiver. The other receivers on the play are progressions. I have never ever heard a coach say “even if the guy who the play is drsigned to go to is open, don’t throw in to him, look at everybody else”
Do you understand how fricking stupid you sound?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 6:17 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Wilson's scheme flips this concept. He (and Locksley) are skipping the time-consuming obligatory QB progressions, except in extreme cases. Or when the play breaks down.
No, they’re not. They do that on some plays, sure. Like all their quick bubbles and wr screens, of course they don’t get the quarterback to read the defense on that. But anything else down the field, if the primary guy isn’t there, they most certainly do go through progressions.
You’re dumb as frick.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 6:21 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Haskins doesn't do it either. Most top college passing programs have dropped that mess.
They have a primary receiver before the snap. They hit him quick. ONLY if the primary is covered do they go thru progressions
It's more accurate to say that Tua and some other quarterbacks are good at identifying who is supposed to be open prior to the snap. At that point they typically identify a key. Basically they create an if statement in their head. If the safety x then the quarterback throws to A but if the safety y, the quarterback throws to B
that's actually exactly what happened on the national title game touchdown pass. He was looking for the tight end running the post but the safety bit on the post and he instantly threw it to the outside receiver
Posted on 11/6/18 at 6:29 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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I played a little D1 ball at WR. How about you?
Right
Posted on 11/6/18 at 6:29 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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You’re dumb as frick.
You're projecting.
Gary Danielson said the same thing on the Bama/LSU broadcast (that Tua is locked-in to many passes before the play starts).
Danielson played QB for 13 years in the NFL. YOU know better? LOL
You're also delusional.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 6:31 am
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