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A major issue for basketball
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:38 am
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:38 am
When I see people offering who should be getting minutes, Fountain is almost always listed. Hill is really hurting us at PG, and getting an SEC-caliber point guard who can also hit an open shot (most likely from the portal at this point) should be the top priority.
But are you guys OK with Fountain going 0-for-4 from three when he has trouble with layups?
9-for-10 from the line is great. But two rebounds and 0-for-9 from the floor shouldn't be acceptable for a starter.
I like him. He plays hard. I like Hill too. But they're not SEC starters, right? (If you're asking what we should do instead, I guess giving Reed and Phillips more minutes is the only option and the only way to find out if they have potential. They lost by 40 anyway.)
Derek Fountain, 1st half vs. Alabama:
19:30 - missed three, down 3-0 (first LSU shot)
19:04 - turnover, down 3-0
17:32 - turnover, down 5-3
17:10 - missed three, down 8-3
12:42 - missed layup, down 18-9
9:30 - turnover, down 23-11
8:56 - missed layup, down 29-11
7:08 - missed three, down 36-14
But are you guys OK with Fountain going 0-for-4 from three when he has trouble with layups?
9-for-10 from the line is great. But two rebounds and 0-for-9 from the floor shouldn't be acceptable for a starter.
I like him. He plays hard. I like Hill too. But they're not SEC starters, right? (If you're asking what we should do instead, I guess giving Reed and Phillips more minutes is the only option and the only way to find out if they have potential. They lost by 40 anyway.)
Derek Fountain, 1st half vs. Alabama:
19:30 - missed three, down 3-0 (first LSU shot)
19:04 - turnover, down 3-0
17:32 - turnover, down 5-3
17:10 - missed three, down 8-3
12:42 - missed layup, down 18-9
9:30 - turnover, down 23-11
8:56 - missed layup, down 29-11
7:08 - missed three, down 36-14
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:48 am to radiantradish
We have very few guys that shoot well.
That’s our biggest problem. It doesn’t matter who shoots, most of them miss.
That’s our biggest problem. It doesn’t matter who shoots, most of them miss.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:48 am to radiantradish
Fountain was end of the bench at State and starting for us. Think about that.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:56 am to radiantradish
Ward needs to be playing major minutes. He is the only guard that has the size to compete in the SEC and he hasn't looked that bad when he has gotten the opportunity, I think with more confidence from PT he may try to score more. He plays hard on D and can contest shots with his length.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:02 am to mcspufftiger7
quote:
Ward needs to be playing major minutes.
I agree with this. Maybe a lineup of:
PG-Hayes
SG-Miller
SF-Ward
PF-Wilkinson
C-KJ
I'd also like to see Phillips get a little more time.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:04 am to doubleb
quote:With lackluster rebounding, particularly offensive rebounding. Other teams are getting 50-100% more second-chance shots than LSU is. A lot of those second-chance shots end up high-percentage shots, too.
We have very few guys that shoot well.
That’s our biggest problem. It doesn’t matter who shoots, most of them miss.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:15 am to radiantradish
It hurt mcmahon losing pinson and gaines.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:29 am to radiantradish
Everyone was bad on Saturday. But using that game to criticize Fountain as a whole is BEYOND stupid. He's been one of the best and more important players on the team. He's the ONLY frontcourt player who will fight for rebounds. He plays with effort. And there is no other frontcourt player on this team you can sub in for him and expect improvement. Reed has all the size you want. He also plays like he is a pickup game at the YMCA. He has, IMO, been the biggest disappointment this season. 6'10 guys with ball skills don't grow on trees. But they also have to give a damn to be successful.
The Alabama game was the first time this season Fountain attempted more than 1 three pointer in the game. Unfortunately, he missed them. But given LSU shot 30% from the field he sure as hell wasn't the only one.
He's the best rebounder on the team. He's the best defensive player on the team. In terms of win-share and +/- he second only to KJ. If you are listing the "issues" for this team the play of Dereck Fountain is WAY down the list
The Alabama game was the first time this season Fountain attempted more than 1 three pointer in the game. Unfortunately, he missed them. But given LSU shot 30% from the field he sure as hell wasn't the only one.
He's the best rebounder on the team. He's the best defensive player on the team. In terms of win-share and +/- he second only to KJ. If you are listing the "issues" for this team the play of Dereck Fountain is WAY down the list
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:34 am to Chalkywhite84
I can’t believe they left LSU to go to UAB and NMSU. Awful decision making
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:35 am to Alt26
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He's the best rebounder on the team. He's the best defensive player on the team. In terms of win-share and +/- he second only to KJ. If you are listing the "issues" for this team the play of Dereck Fountain is WAY down the list
I agree. Fountain is not the issue. He can't lead the team but he hustles, he's 6'10", he rebounds, and can score inside. He just couldn't against Bama.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:43 am to radiantradish
Derek Fountain is the saving grace for this team, he and hayes being portal finds is one encouraging thing I have seen from CMM right now.
We have probably the worse PG selection I have ever seen for LSU at the moment. Hell a guy like Pinson(who was an average to slightly above average SEC pg) would make this team a hell of a lot better, that is just how bad the 3 main rotating PGs have been for us.
Miller is the only guard that is even a threat of making a 3 at this moment, and if you just pack the lane Hannibal is completely taken out of the offense.
We have probably the worse PG selection I have ever seen for LSU at the moment. Hell a guy like Pinson(who was an average to slightly above average SEC pg) would make this team a hell of a lot better, that is just how bad the 3 main rotating PGs have been for us.
Miller is the only guard that is even a threat of making a 3 at this moment, and if you just pack the lane Hannibal is completely taken out of the offense.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:52 am to radiantradish
Do you realize we had ONE scholarship player when coach got here. This was a throw together team. Of course he needs to improve the roster.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:08 am to The Truth 34
Yeah, that's essentially what I'm saying, only I'm getting down-voted for it, which is funny. I get that Fountain works hard and can rebound (sometimes). I do appreciate his work ethic. But apparently people here want him taking three-pointers, and I disagree with that.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:27 am to radiantradish
Fountain would be fine as a starter on most, if not all SEC teams. His skill set is most valuable as a guy who does the little things well, rebounds, plays defense, and chips in with a couple buckets here and there. But when he's placed on a team like LSU wher we lack top level SEC talent outside of KJ...his shortcomings become more apparent. Sucks that Adam Miller looks more like an average SEC starter than the player we all hoped he could be.
9.5 PPG, 7 rebounds, 60% shooting since entering the starting lineup. Fountain is pretty solid.
9.5 PPG, 7 rebounds, 60% shooting since entering the starting lineup. Fountain is pretty solid.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:29 am to DallasTiger45
I can accept this. But I think if you listed the SEC teams he would start for right now, you wouldn't reach five.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:29 am to radiantradish
quote:
Derek Fountain
What are your expectations for this kid?? He rode pine for Miss St last year like most of our p5 transfers, but we expect them to win a lot of SEC games. We are playing with a lot of scraps and KJ.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:31 am to JWill409
Not to take threes and to hopefully get more than two rebounds in 21 minutes when there are so many balls flying around and hitting the floor?
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:35 am to radiantradish
quote:
Not to take threes
Bama might be the best rim protecting team in the country- I think we had to try something different and Fountain stretching the floor was one of those things.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:37 am to radiantradish
quote:
Yeah, that's essentially what I'm saying, only I'm getting down-voted for it, which is funny. I get that Fountain works hard and can rebound (sometimes). I do appreciate his work ethic. But apparently people here want him taking three-pointers, and I disagree with that.
Before this game he had four (4) three-point attempts all season (making two). So it's not as if him taking ill-advised three point shots had been a big issue. In his freshman season at Mississippi St. he shot 39% from three on (nearly) 40 attempts. So he does have some history of shooting well from three. (In fact, he went 4/7 from three in a game at LSU that year)
Given LSU's offense has been struggling most of the season, why not allow a guy like Fountain to attempt a few more threes to see if he can give you 1 or 2 makes per game and, in the process, stretch the defense out a little more? It's not like LSU was terribly efficient before. So why not try something different in your offensive approach?
Calling Derek Fountain's shot selection in ONE game a "major issue" is maybe the most reactionary take based off ONE performance of the season. He has been second only to KJ in terms importance to this team.
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Not to take threes and to hopefully get more than two rebounds in 21 minutes when there are so many balls flying around and hitting the floor?
He's in the top 10 of the league (tied with Colin Castleton of Florida) in total rebounding %. His four attempts vs. Alabama matched his season total going into the game. He had one poor game on a day where everyone on LSU's team had a poor game, and you want to say he is a "major issue"?
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 10:43 am
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