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re: 2024-2025 Men's Basketball Roster
Posted on 2/10/24 at 9:18 pm to WaydownSouth
Posted on 2/10/24 at 9:18 pm to WaydownSouth
If you keep all that have eligibility, you better get another available baker. Cook will be back but I wouldn’t be scared to have too many guards. Wilk takes 5th year at lsu unless he drops down to southland conf.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 9:39 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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The downfall of Mwani is quite depressing to me. He was my favorite player on WW's teams, all for him to flounder under MM. I'm aware he was hurt, but for him to ride the bench and be put in the same time as the walk ons is just depressing...
Don't know if he's not fully healthy, if the injury altered him, if MM dislikes him, or what. Would love to know.
Against Tennessee Wilkinson played 20 minutes. He almost single-handily ignited the second half run to cut a 20 lead in half and at least give LSU a pulse. So what happens next?
In a game where LSU was desperate for perimeter defense and could have used a few 3’s to keep pace Wilkinson doesn’t play until the game is out of hand.
I never know if McMahon’s rotations have any rhyme or reason. I think he predetermines a game plan and simply refuses to deviate from it. If it works and LSU can get a close win…great! If not, he just accepts the arse-kicking without much desire to try to change course.
Above all, I think the thing he lacks most is a feel for the game. All coaches at the college level understand the X’s and O’s. The good ones can generally feel the way the game is going for their team an make the small adjustments in game that can cause big dividends.
Case in point. Dean came in about the 14:00 mark of the second half. At that point LSU was able to string together some one possession stops to claw back in and eventually take the lead. Then at the 8:00 (or so) mark he puts Baker back in. Alabama immediately goes on a 22-6 run in 4 minutes to blow the game open.
Yes, Baker had a great first half offensively. But you had to understand you got the lead on the heels of solid rebounding and defense. Baker’s offense at that point wasn’t what LSU needed. They needed to continue to get stops and hang in. Instead, one coaching decision, and the refusal to accept it was the wrong move turned a tight battle into a blowout.
What works and what doesn’t often changes multiple times during a game. A coach has to be able to sense that and respond accordingly to the flow
Posted on 2/10/24 at 9:51 pm to Alt26
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Above all, I think the thing he lacks most is a feel for the game. All coaches at the college level understand the X’s and O’s. The good ones can generally feel the way the game is going for their team an make the small adjustments in game that can cause big dividends.
Case in point. Dean came in about the 14:00 mark of the second half. At that point LSU was able to string together some one possession stops to claw back in and eventually take the lead. Then at the 8:00 (or so) mark he puts Baker back in. Alabama immediately goes on a 22-6 run in 4 minutes to blow the game open.
Yes, Baker had a great first half offensively. But you had to understand you got the lead on the heels of solid rebounding and defense. Baker’s offense at that point wasn’t what LSU needed. They needed to continue to get stops and hang in. Instead, one coaching decision, and the refusal to accept it was the wrong move turned a tight battle into a blowout.
What works and what doesn’t often changes multiple times during a game. A coach has to be able to sense that and respond accordingly to the flow
Agree with all this. I think Mwani would have been a big boost to our team this game. He played well against Tennessee and I'm confused as to why he didn't play.
When I saw within the first 2 minutes of the 2nd half that Baker was playing poorly, I was glad Dean went in. When I saw him getting subbed out and Baker going back in, I remember telling my buddy that we're going to lose now. What happens? They attack Baker on the pick and roll and his defensive liabilities cause us to be the victim of a nasty run. Sure Baker had a great first half, but it's clear Oats made adjustments and it wasn't going to work. Dean gave us what we needed and he shoulda played the entire rest of the half.
Dean is gonna be one of those players that I'm always going to remember and respect. Not a stat sheet stuffer but a guy who helps contribute to winning. I do think he should be allowed to do more offensively (I saw him drain 10 straight threes in warmups, and his tape is quite good) but it's all going to be a pipe dream, and another disappointing McSeason.
(also funny how I said the same thing about Hannibal and the Dayton loss and the rant gave me shite for it, same concept imo)
This post was edited on 2/10/24 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 2/10/24 at 9:55 pm to WaydownSouth
All that’s sounds wonderful, but to not upset the Wade Haters & McBland Clan, those guys you are comparing them to are former 5*s & 4*s recruited by the General.
McIhave6moreyrs has no talent of that magnitude coming and loses all the scoring off a low low tier SEC cellar dweller team. Can one of the McMen please give me a honest assessment of the future of MBB at LSU. I love College Basketball, I love LSU but from what I’ve seen 6-22 in the SEC, the future looks bleak. And please refrain from using Wade’s name in the answer. It reminds me of Biden/Kamala still blaming Trump for the shtstorm this country is going through. Please answer truthfully with no hypotheticals and ifs.
McIhave6moreyrs has no talent of that magnitude coming and loses all the scoring off a low low tier SEC cellar dweller team. Can one of the McMen please give me a honest assessment of the future of MBB at LSU. I love College Basketball, I love LSU but from what I’ve seen 6-22 in the SEC, the future looks bleak. And please refrain from using Wade’s name in the answer. It reminds me of Biden/Kamala still blaming Trump for the shtstorm this country is going through. Please answer truthfully with no hypotheticals and ifs.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:04 pm to Sissidog02
Oh but MM is going to get it turned around by year 3,look what the coach at south Carolina has done in year 2! Bottom line MM doesn't know what he's doing,and he flat out does not recruit hard enough it's amazing how other teams can find players but he can't,oh and by the WAY MM if your going to knock a ranked team you better hit your fricking free throws pathetic that this team can't shoot free throws!
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:27 pm to saintsfan22
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It'd be stunning if he stuck around here for a 5th year. He started more as a true freshman on a tourney team than he has on two bad teams under McMahon. Not saying it's McMahon's fault since Mwani has been injured but it clearly hasn't worked out for Mwani under him.
He's the best on ball defender on the team and McMahon refuses to play him.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:42 pm to Lucado
I questioned the decision to not play Mwani more minutes as well. I thought he played his best game of the year vs. Tennessee and should have been rewarded for that.
Plus LSU needed his defense at that point in the game. His shot was even falling vs. the Vols and perhaps he could have helped there as well.
Plus LSU needed his defense at that point in the game. His shot was even falling vs. the Vols and perhaps he could have helped there as well.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 12:04 am to rjokerlsu
He would be more of an asset if he could handle the ball and create opportunities with his athleticism.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 12:40 am to WaydownSouth
One of the better MBB threads of the year tbh.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 12:46 am to Bottom9
quote:It is kind of amazing that he went from the missing piece and the reason the non conference results were poor to being a terrible fit for the system and one of the main reasons we can’t compete in the top half of the conference.
I swear just 3 weeks ago people were saying this dude was our savior
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:20 am to Tigerfan14
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Ward were supposed to be talented building blocks. If they are already hopeless, we are really screwed.
Ward is far from hopeless. Think he may play a significant role next year. 2nd poster is spot on about Chest being there for rebounding.
Givens is probably the most important piece here, a pure PG. Much needed. May bring more out of other players. Don’t forget about Williams as a rotational player. Guess I wouldn’t mind Reed at C, but wouldn’t mind a transfer center either. Wouldn’t write off Miller so soon.
On its face the incomplete ‘25 roster already seems more complementary than what we have. This year our PG only wants to score off pick & rolls + our C is only good for points off jump shots. Best rebounder is either Fountain or Dean & neither of them are even starters. Wright may be your biggest loss.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 1:24 am
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:46 am to WaydownSouth
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Cook has another year but ain't coming back. If you listened to the post game presser, they asked MM about Cook's 20 pts and 8 boards. He basically said great job rebounding, but we need better team looks.
CMM harped on the fact that the guards had 10 assists in the first half and none in the second. I have to think this is also a veiled swipe at Cook.
The removing him from the starting five seems to have a temporary effect where at first he tries to be a pass first guy but at some point he seems to not be able to help himself. In back to back possessions at a critical point in the game he took step back threes and missed without seemingly a thought of running any offense....and we scored alot yesterday...it's not as if it was the offense that was broken.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:50 am to saintsfan22
Mwani is a nice complementary piece…on a good team
A corner 3 and D guy with athleticism and a little size
He can’t shine on a shite team like we’ve been the last couple years.
A corner 3 and D guy with athleticism and a little size
He can’t shine on a shite team like we’ve been the last couple years.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:53 am to Alt26
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McMahon’s rotations have any rhyme or reason. I
Lost count of how many times Ward or Reid have disappeared only to find them glued to the bench.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 9:00 am to Tiger Ugly
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In back to back possessions at a critical point in the game he took step back threes and missed without seemingly a thought of running any offense....
Cook seems like he’s one of those guys who’s hard to coach. Told y’all he has a tendency to default to hero ball. Those back to back chucks were momentum killers
Posted on 2/11/24 at 9:19 am to WaydownSouth
I know he's hurt but Stewart providing absolutely nothing for this year was an absolute bummer. He's probably looking to head out too.
So we should be able to bring in some prominent portal guys
So we should be able to bring in some prominent portal guys
Posted on 2/11/24 at 9:45 am to WaydownSouth
PG: Cook / CG3
SG: Williams / Stewart
SF: Ward / Mwani
PF: Reed / Fountain / Chest
C: Collins / Miller
That leaves us with 2 spots. One we likely take another hs recruit at SG / SF. With the last spot we go to the portal to get a veteran center.
If Cook leaves we look to replace him with a portal pg, but I don't see him leaving.
Regardless we should do well in the portal as we are shopping for 1 or 2 guys as opposed to the 6+ guys we needed in the past. Further we are adding them to a solid team as opposed to making it mostly from the portal.
SG: Williams / Stewart
SF: Ward / Mwani
PF: Reed / Fountain / Chest
C: Collins / Miller
That leaves us with 2 spots. One we likely take another hs recruit at SG / SF. With the last spot we go to the portal to get a veteran center.
If Cook leaves we look to replace him with a portal pg, but I don't see him leaving.
Regardless we should do well in the portal as we are shopping for 1 or 2 guys as opposed to the 6+ guys we needed in the past. Further we are adding them to a solid team as opposed to making it mostly from the portal.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:15 am to mmcgrath
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PG: Cook / CG3
SG: Williams / Stewart
SF: Ward / Mwani
PF: Reed / Fountain / Chest
C: Collins / Miller
Next season really needs to be a leap year for CMM. Maybe the sum will be greater than the parts but who from above would a team from the Top Half of the SEC take and put in their Top 7 rotation?
However, things could setup nicely for his 4th season, especially if he can bring in some transfers with multiple yrs of eligibility this offseason,
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 10:31 am
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:33 am to mmcgrath
I have no idea what we will actually get from miller, chest, collins, or givens.
Stewart is puzzling, but there isn’t really a reason to believe he will be as productive as he was at Santa Clara.
I don’t know why the board is so down on Reed. He’s 6’10” 220 lbs and more athletic than most of the bigs he faces. If he can play just a little more disciplined, I think he is a better big than baker, fountain, or dean. His soft touch around the rim has gotten better, but still needs work. He’s also improving as a rim protector.
This might sound dumb down the road, but I think Mike Williams is an all-sec caliber player if he sticks around till his junior season. He shoots and passes well, he is a good defender and coachable. He needs to gain a little strength and sometimes he struggles when getting pressed. But he is just a freshman.
There is no reason to think ward can’t be a starter and give you 10-15 pts a game. Sometimes he is a spectator on defense. His motor is lacking, and that is a hard thing to teach. It’s more instinctual. I think he could fill a scoring role that cook currently fills if he were to leave, we would need to have another guard capable of facilitating however.
I think we need a big if collins and chest aren’t ready, a combo guard, and maybe an athletic small forward who defends the 2-4 (maybe that’s mwani, but he just seems to ride the pine idk)
Stewart is puzzling, but there isn’t really a reason to believe he will be as productive as he was at Santa Clara.
I don’t know why the board is so down on Reed. He’s 6’10” 220 lbs and more athletic than most of the bigs he faces. If he can play just a little more disciplined, I think he is a better big than baker, fountain, or dean. His soft touch around the rim has gotten better, but still needs work. He’s also improving as a rim protector.
This might sound dumb down the road, but I think Mike Williams is an all-sec caliber player if he sticks around till his junior season. He shoots and passes well, he is a good defender and coachable. He needs to gain a little strength and sometimes he struggles when getting pressed. But he is just a freshman.
There is no reason to think ward can’t be a starter and give you 10-15 pts a game. Sometimes he is a spectator on defense. His motor is lacking, and that is a hard thing to teach. It’s more instinctual. I think he could fill a scoring role that cook currently fills if he were to leave, we would need to have another guard capable of facilitating however.
I think we need a big if collins and chest aren’t ready, a combo guard, and maybe an athletic small forward who defends the 2-4 (maybe that’s mwani, but he just seems to ride the pine idk)
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:52 am to rds dc
quote:Cook, CG3, Williams, Reed, and Fountain. Possibly Ward and Chest. If Collins is healthy, then he would get time. Miller is raw but had a nice recruiting list. Mwani could probably get into the right rotation with his defense.
Maybe the sum will be greater than the parts but who from above would a team from the Top Half of the SEC take and put in their Top 7 rotation?
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