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re: 10-2 appears to be the floor
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:09 am to 00 Tech Grad
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:09 am to 00 Tech Grad
Rinse wash and fricking repeat. Football can't get here fast enough
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Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:09 am to TheCaterpillar
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And got lucky against Auburn.
I won't play that game and take that W off his resume, as its really the only good W O has on his resume here.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:12 am to BilJ
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I won't play that game and take that W off his resume, as its really the only good W O has on his resume here.
For sure.
It counts, no doubt. But that punt return had a block in the back and that comeback was just fluky feeling.
But a good win nonetheless. We own Auburn at home.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:16 am to TigerLunatik
ST coach has nothing to do with how accurate a FG kicker is. They work on that on their own during the season anyways. That wouldn't have made a bit of difference in our FG kicking.
Now it could have in punt return, kick return and coverages and that's on O. It was his first year and he did try to fill those needs this year.
Now it could have in punt return, kick return and coverages and that's on O. It was his first year and he did try to fill those needs this year.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:20 am to BayouBengal99
Are you saying that a special teams coach doesn't teach a kicker and/or punter techniques? I would absolutely disagree. There are plenty of techniques when it comes to kicking a ball with his, foot placement, head and shoulder placement as well.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:21 am to BayouBengal99
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ST coach has nothing to do with how accurate a FG kicker is.
Having a coach that can actually interact with you and provide a structured regiment to be followed has everything to do with it.
Otherwise you've got a bunch of 18-22 year olds dicking around for a few hours.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:24 am to RB10
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Otherwise you've got a bunch of 18-22 year olds dicking around for a few hours.
Maybe that's the part that the other position coaches were supposed to be keeping an eye on.
Honestly, without being at practice, it's difficult for us to know. Even though that hurts my earlier argument lol.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:38 am to justice
It's all about depth in the college ranks bro. It really doesn't matter who we play. If they have depth that has been developed then they will have an advantage or that will at least bring them to our level competitively.
That RB ran right up the middle on our DL so if we are going to say it's on the coaches I guess Aranda's scheme was flawed on this day along with O letting him have a flawed scheme on this day.
I suppose we are going to say that instead of our WRs being raw or just not physically ready yet or that our elite RB was injured, that it was Canada's offense that sucked on this day and it's Os fault for messing with the OL. Even though our OL couldn't get it corrected up until this point.
I guess it's Os fault for not recognizing that we needed a kicker before the season even though the kickers performed well in practices. Some things are just learned during the games bc it's different when the lights come on and the pressure is turned up.
O didn't have the best first season and he made some mistakes but he identified those mistakes and has made moves to fix them in the offseason. He also didn't have the worst season in his first year with very little depth and huge wholes at key positions. I just didn't see all these coaching blunders that you people love to point to.
If he wouldn't have messed with the OL and the OL would have lost that game with penalties, people would still be complaining. I actually do think that this team can make it to 11-2 this season or at least 10-3 with a bowl win. LSU needs to beat one of Bama or Georgia this season and that's a possibility. Georgia is no better than Auburn was last year and we beat them with very little depth at home.
I hope the man has a good season just so I don't have to hear you people gripe all off season. It's obnoxious. He didn't have the best season, get over it. If O loses to another inferior team with the team he now has, I'll be right there with y'all saying he should now go. I just can't put all the blame on him for last year. This roster was terrible and it was very obvious to me.
That RB ran right up the middle on our DL so if we are going to say it's on the coaches I guess Aranda's scheme was flawed on this day along with O letting him have a flawed scheme on this day.
I suppose we are going to say that instead of our WRs being raw or just not physically ready yet or that our elite RB was injured, that it was Canada's offense that sucked on this day and it's Os fault for messing with the OL. Even though our OL couldn't get it corrected up until this point.
I guess it's Os fault for not recognizing that we needed a kicker before the season even though the kickers performed well in practices. Some things are just learned during the games bc it's different when the lights come on and the pressure is turned up.
O didn't have the best first season and he made some mistakes but he identified those mistakes and has made moves to fix them in the offseason. He also didn't have the worst season in his first year with very little depth and huge wholes at key positions. I just didn't see all these coaching blunders that you people love to point to.
If he wouldn't have messed with the OL and the OL would have lost that game with penalties, people would still be complaining. I actually do think that this team can make it to 11-2 this season or at least 10-3 with a bowl win. LSU needs to beat one of Bama or Georgia this season and that's a possibility. Georgia is no better than Auburn was last year and we beat them with very little depth at home.
I hope the man has a good season just so I don't have to hear you people gripe all off season. It's obnoxious. He didn't have the best season, get over it. If O loses to another inferior team with the team he now has, I'll be right there with y'all saying he should now go. I just can't put all the blame on him for last year. This roster was terrible and it was very obvious to me.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:39 am to Loaner1231
quote:Looking at your floor/ceiling, expectations for LSU/2018 season, I think you forgot to show Open Dates as (L)s also. Your cup is not half-empty, it's cracked and leaking bad.
Loaner1231
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 10:48 am
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:43 am to BayouBengal99
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This roster was terrible and it was very obvious to me.
Even though I disagreed with some of the post, I thought it was rational and well thought out until I got to this. 247 says we had the 6th most talented team. Even if they are off by 20 spots, that still isn't a terrible roster.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:47 am to RB10
They do that some in the offseason but mostly let these kickers do their thing repeatedly. It's about kicking over and over. We did have someone reviewing the film and telling these guys what to fix everyday.
The fact is that you can try to change a kickers technique all you want during practice but when it comes to game time, it's just different. Some are made for that, some aren't, no matter what you do.
The fact is that you can try to change a kickers technique all you want during practice but when it comes to game time, it's just different. Some are made for that, some aren't, no matter what you do.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 11:06 am to TigerLunatik
And how many of those guys played on offense, defense or special teams regularly?
Lots of them, and they made mistakes at times, bc they were young playing with others that were young.
Our RB was hurt, our best 3 or 4 DLman weren't playing, our WRs were still raw and our OL weren't on the same page. That was a mix of things which caused these problems during the State game and Troy game. Look I've admitted that O made some mistakes, but many coaches would have struggled with last years team.
With a decent kicker we could have likely won 2 of those games last year and that's just realistic. We've added quality depth along the LOS, at LB, QB, kicker, and WR this year. We should have a decent roster in 2018. That depth makes a huge difference no matter if you feel like the ranking wasn't on par LMAO.
Last year was a solid class. We missed on a QB and CB. You add those two positions to that class and we would have had a top ten ranking. We added a QB that I would prefer over many of the QBs that were in last years class. If the CB positions develops then we'll be fine.
We'll see what type of job O does this year? I'm still on the fence but I've got to give him some time to develop his own players. From what I saw last year, we had holes everywhere. You can say it's this or that persons fault, that's fine but that fact still remains. Go Tigers!
Lots of them, and they made mistakes at times, bc they were young playing with others that were young.
Our RB was hurt, our best 3 or 4 DLman weren't playing, our WRs were still raw and our OL weren't on the same page. That was a mix of things which caused these problems during the State game and Troy game. Look I've admitted that O made some mistakes, but many coaches would have struggled with last years team.
With a decent kicker we could have likely won 2 of those games last year and that's just realistic. We've added quality depth along the LOS, at LB, QB, kicker, and WR this year. We should have a decent roster in 2018. That depth makes a huge difference no matter if you feel like the ranking wasn't on par LMAO.
Last year was a solid class. We missed on a QB and CB. You add those two positions to that class and we would have had a top ten ranking. We added a QB that I would prefer over many of the QBs that were in last years class. If the CB positions develops then we'll be fine.
We'll see what type of job O does this year? I'm still on the fence but I've got to give him some time to develop his own players. From what I saw last year, we had holes everywhere. You can say it's this or that persons fault, that's fine but that fact still remains. Go Tigers!
Posted on 6/19/18 at 11:07 am to BayouBengal99
OP is on droogs
10-2 would be a dream finish for O and probably get him a 64 year contract extension.
10-2 would be a dream finish for O and probably get him a 64 year contract extension.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 11:54 am to Mo Jeaux
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I love that this is part of the O story now, as if it’s a positive. We’re damn lucky that the teams we played later in the season were bigger dumpster fires. 1 point win, barely, against a Florida team in flames.
This. I feel like people are forgetting that of our 9 wins last season, FIVE were against teams that fired their coach (or in Ole Miss's case, had already fired their coach).
The other wins were UT Chattanooga, Syracuse, BYU, and Auburn- which, let's be honest, we had no business winning that game. Had less to do with Orgeron and more to do with Gus taking his foot off the gas after he got a 3 TD lead.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 11:58 am to HamBone14
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Auburn- which, let's be honest, we had no business winning that game. Had less to do with Orgeron and more to do with Gus taking his foot off the gas after he got a 3 TD lead.
I’m not going to try to take away from the best win of Orgeron’s career. While it’s true Gus took his foot off the gas, it’s also true that LSU didn’t lay down and quit like they did in the MSU game. They showed some real grit in that game.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 11:59 am
Posted on 6/19/18 at 12:03 pm to BayouBengal99
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With a decent kicker we win the Troy game
It is incredibly sad that this is a valid excuse for you.
LSU should never depend on a kicker to beat a scrub team.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 12:22 pm to Dlab2013
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What was Jimbos record last year?
5 & 6 last year. But in 8 years as the FSU Head Coach, he had an 83-23 record and was 5-2 in bowl games. He won at least 10 games each season except last year and 2011 when his team went 9-4.
So one terrible season out of eight isn't that bad in my opinion. And perhaps you think his 2011 9-4 year was bad, but that's the same record that o finished with last year, and there are lots of people claiming that was a bang up job by o.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 1:14 pm to Freauxzen
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So one side of his resume gets a qualifier, and the other doesn't? Got it
I never said that. All I’m saying is that people can’t get past his record at Ole Miss. I couldn’t care less what his record at Ole Miss was. There was a reason he got that job in the first place and a reason he didn’t win there. Fact is, in his last 29 games he’s shown that he can win when he isn’t at a disadvantage talent-wise.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 1:17 pm to LSU82BILL
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in his last 29 games he’s shown that he can win when he isn’t at a disadvantage talent-wise.
He's had losses to UCLA, Miss State, and Troy, all of which were lesser talented teams than the ones that he was coaching.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 1:19 pm to SportTiger1
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LSU should never depend on a kicker to beat a scrub team.
Scrub team? They that Troy team was better than UAB and ULM teams that Saban lost to back in the day.
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