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Posted on 9/24/23 at 4:02 pm to Cs
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It all starts with recruiting. Too many people are completely dismissive when we lose out on guys like McKinley, Simmons, Ricks, Mack, etc, and just brush it aside and assume we'll just land another guy or portal player who is just as good. But it doesn't work like that.
This is right. We got lucky last season that there were a couple legit SEC caliber corners available in the portal with Louisiana ties. The reality of the portal is you still don’t know what will be available and and exactly how they will pan out. It’s not that much different than HS recruiting in that respect.
We will be losing most of our DT rotation after this season, and we will be praying to land some portal guys to fill that hole. Even if we are successful, we will probably be in the same situation the year after that, which is the real problem.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 4:22 pm to LSUtwolves
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Top 10 recruiting isn’t good enough
It was good enough for Saban, Miles, and Orgeron to win national championships.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 4:43 pm to wadewilson
LSU class rankings on 247:
2014: #2
2015: #5
2016: #2
2017: #7
2018: #15 (transition year to O)
2019: #5
2020: #4
2021: #3
The reality is that for the past decade we've pretty much been bringing in top 5 classes year in and year out.
This year there's a good chance we won't even finish with a top 10 class.
2014: #2
2015: #5
2016: #2
2017: #7
2018: #15 (transition year to O)
2019: #5
2020: #4
2021: #3
The reality is that for the past decade we've pretty much been bringing in top 5 classes year in and year out.
This year there's a good chance we won't even finish with a top 10 class.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 5:18 pm to Byrdybyrd05
We won’t have a championship program that way. We’ve got to find a way to get high level recruits
Posted on 9/24/23 at 5:52 pm to Cs
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This year there's a good chance we won't even finish with a top 10 class.
Kelly took over in December and finished with a #7 class in 2022.
His first full class was #5.
Saban, Miles, and Orgeron all had classes outside the top 10, and they didn't have the legalization of Texas schools paying 6 figures to high schoolers to contend with.
If anybody wants to bury Kelly, you're going to need something besides recruiting to start with.
ETA: DT recruiting is a dumpster fire. It's not all Kelly's fault there, but the buck stops with him. It's not his fault that we're on out 4th D-Line coach in 3 years, but he's the only man that can change that.
TLDR wail on Kelly all you want for D-line recruiting. He deserves it.
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 9/24/23 at 6:08 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Right now, we have a group of defensive backs who make the tackle after an 18-yard completion and then stand over the receiver, posturing and flexing like they actually did something.
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:19 pm to Tigerfan14
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This is right. We got lucky last season that there were a couple legit SEC caliber corners available in the portal with Louisiana ties. The reality of the portal is you still don’t know what will be available and and exactly how they will pan out. It’s not that much different than HS recruiting in that respect.
There was another high caliber corner in the portal this past class that lsu got beat out for. Cypress from virginia
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:34 pm to Chalkywhite84
Our secondary will be fine next year. Bringing everyone back
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:40 pm to LSUTitan99
Agree with that. Nobody in the starting secondary has played together.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 6:45 am to HoldThatTiger33
We’ve recruited as well as anyone at db this cycle and the last. Also Harris looked pretty good out there, not sure what you’re talking about. It’s just the interior dt position that’s given bk trouble for some reason.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:16 am to Srobi14
Echo all the above. LSU will look decent again in the secondary by the end of this season. We'll be pretty good next year.
4 coaches in 3 years. It's gotta be fixed. We've got to flip 2 high schoolers and sign 2 transfers. Hopefully we can keep 2 of our top 4 guys from this season.
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It’s just the interior dt position that’s given bk trouble for some reason.
4 coaches in 3 years. It's gotta be fixed. We've got to flip 2 high schoolers and sign 2 transfers. Hopefully we can keep 2 of our top 4 guys from this season.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:57 am to lsufanva
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Kelly hasn't truly felt our wrath yet.
Do tell us of this wrath that you wield. I'm curious of your plans for deployment. You must hold substantial power that exists beyond the cyber realm.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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I think this thread is more a resignation that Kelly and company are utterly failing in HS recruiting and all we can do is this annual transfer shuffle.
Well, that's a bit of hyperbole but it is what we expect from you.
But you make a valid, if somewhat overstated, point that the staff is leaning heavily on the portal now. Some of that was necessary given the situation O left but it needs to transition to better HS recruiting if the team is expecting to make the next step and sustain success. And we need our talent evaluation to hit much more than we miss for the next 2-4 years or until we find ourselves not needing to take so many players each cycle to fill out the scholarship roster.
People like to dog others for being "star gazers" but the fact is your likelihood of missing on a 4 or 5-star is significantly lower than your odds of missing on a 3-star.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:59 am to Cs
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LSU class rankings on 247:
2014: #2
2015: #5
2016: #2
2017: #7
2018: #15 (transition year to O)
2019: #5
2020: #4
2021: #3
So, if you average these out it comes to 5.375.
We've always been at an average well above 10. Now, I know there's a gnats-hair of difference between 5 or 8 or 10, but we've been pretty consistent and only at 10 or below as an anomaly...
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:31 am to mpwilging
There are people that think recruiting rankings are everything, and those that think they are meaningless.
The truth is somewhere in the middle.
With the portal they mean less, but are still very important. Development, attrition, talent-identification and roster management are other factors in recruiting beyond just rankings.
The truth is somewhere in the middle.
With the portal they mean less, but are still very important. Development, attrition, talent-identification and roster management are other factors in recruiting beyond just rankings.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:51 am to Cs
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The reality is that for the past decade we've pretty much been bringing in top 5 classes year in and year out.
17 was the transition year to O
Also the 19/20/21 class were busts- the evaluations were horrible and we passed on guys from LA that would be helping us right now
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:34 am to mpwilging
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So, if you average these out it comes to 5.375.
Yeah. How about that 2019 championship team?
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2015: #5
2016: #2
2017: #7
2018: #15 (transition year to O)
2019: #5
That team averaged 6.8, and that 2018 class was more like a 20th ranked class by 2019.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:41 am to wadewilson
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That team averaged 6.8, and that 2018 class was more like a 20th ranked class by 2019.
The athletic re ranks the classes every 4 or 5 years. I think that one ranked like 35th
19-20-21 will all rank 15th or worse when they rerank those classes
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:44 am to Midtiger farm
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The athletic re ranks the classes every 4 or 5 years. I think that one ranked like 35th
Woof.
Yeah, my point is, people keep saying that you have to have top 5 classes every year to compete, and that anything less than averaging a top 5 class is unacceptable for LSU.
The numbers just don't back that up. We're doing a lot better with the roster than people give credit for.
Except defensive tackle. Kelly and company deserve all the grief for that.
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