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O Line is a weakness and we don't seem to be improving it with this class

Posted on 11/2/20 at 10:33 am
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7558 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 10:33 am
How many do we need?

And why are we struggling in recruiting these guys?

All the skill players in the world won't help if the line is a liability.
Posted by Tigerboy55
Member since Feb 2020
711 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 10:35 am to
We’re not struggling at recruiting Leigh we’re still up there it is A tossup you need to chill out and 3 per class we are also going after Byrd hard
This post was edited on 11/2/20 at 10:40 am
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7558 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 10:40 am to
quote:

you need to chill out


LOL. All eggs in one basket?

Yes, I know we are in the running for Leigh.

How about answering my questions?
Posted by Tigerboy55
Member since Feb 2020
711 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 10:41 am to
I did lol I said at least 3 o line chill out CEO got this
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
31677 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 11:04 am to
We need to be taking 3-4 top end OL every year. Not project players that take 2-3 years to develop and generally end up leaving before they even see the field.

If Cregg cannot recruit these guys here, find someone who can
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278179 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 11:14 am to
Let’s see, you lose 3 OL from last year, your starting LT has played in 2 games, you didn’t have any practice time together. Yea it kinda sucks
Posted by RosemaryTiger
Member since Feb 2019
59 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 11:18 am to
Exactly how many top OL prospects do you think are out there every year? Do you expect LSU to get all of them? Elite OL players are few and far between. Maybe 4-6 a class. Split those among the top programs and you better be able to identify and develop underrated prospects. Not to mention, our state doesn’t produce top tier OL prospects that often. College football is hard. I’m going to let the guy who just had the top OL in the country last year figure it out.
Posted by TexasTiger88
Madisonville
Member since Jun 2010
1809 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 11:27 am to
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I’m going to let the guy who just had the top OL in the country last year figure it out.


I’m still baffled as to how we won this award. We didn’t even have the best o line in the conference let alone country. Burrow and CEH made the line looks wayyy better than they actually were. The amount of times Joe got away from pressure to make a play and the amount of times CEH was able to break a tackle behind the LOS was astonishing.
Posted by texastigerr
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
8304 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 11:28 am to
Needs 3 elite Olineman. Not one super star and 2 projects.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11181 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 11:33 am to
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Needs 3 elite Olineman. Not one super star and 2 projects.


Almost all offensive line recruits are projects to some extent.
Posted by Tigerboy55
Member since Feb 2020
711 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 11:36 am to
You call dellinger a project must’ve never heard of him
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 11:37 am to
We need 5 lineman every year until the depth looks amazing. We have undersigned on oline for years now and between early departures, attrition, etc. it's disaster depth wise. I'm not sure how they continue to overlook this and the same could be said at CB. It's not looking like the young CBs we have on this roster panning out so you have to seriously pursue at last another CB in this class. This is the worst thing about O at LSU. He doesn't identify depth weaknesses early enough in recruiting until it's too late. He loves signing way too many in skill positions we're already loaded in like WR.

There's actually several positions on the team depth wise we're not pursuing enough help in.
This post was edited on 11/2/20 at 11:38 am
Posted by TigerBlood17
Member since Jan 2014
1454 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 11:40 am to
I actually feel ok about the Oline future. We should end up with good numbers. I’m hoping Thomas, Dumerville, Bradford can take the next step as all were big time recruits.

The interior Dline is incredibly thin. I count 4 returning players for 2 DT positions. Roy, Guillory, Evans, Eric Taylor that’s it. We are hoping for Smith and have Hundley committed. That’s a max of 6 for 2 positions. That seems really low and I don’t expect Taylor and Hundley to contribute much next season.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
12371 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 11:55 am to
LINK

This is 247s OT rankings for this class. Look at it and tell me how much more the staff can do.
We have the #11 guy committed. In good shape for the #4 guy and have a shot at the #10 guy.
On top of that we tried for and were on the short list for the top 2 guys. Every kid between 2 and 10 either stayed instate or in their region which isn't the South.
Just because our top 2 candidates haven't committed yet isn't the fault of the staff. Oklahoma is waiting on both of those guys as well. I think the staff has done well with OT recruiting this cycle. They need to finish but I don't see any room to complain about the effort as of now.
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
9463 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 12:08 pm to
A 4 per year average is sufficient IMO, but it is about quality and not just quantity. I like to have 15-16 OL on the roster. That gives you 1 miss per class. We are shy of that number right now.

Key to this class is landing 1 more OT out of Leigh/Byrd and 1 more interior guy for sure. If there is a 4th guy that wants in that you feel really good about being a future starter than you take 4 this year.
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
31677 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 12:26 pm to
Let's review our last 4 years of OL recruiting:

2016:
Donavaughn Campbell - booted
Willie Allen - transferred
Jakori Savage - graduated
Lloyd Cushenberry - NFL

2017:
Austin Deculus - starting OT - solid player
Ed Ingram - starting OG - solid player
Saddiq Charles - NFL -left too early IMO
Seth Stewart - transferred

2018:
Badara Traore - graduated - not as good as we hoped
Chasen Hines - converted from DL - been solid at times
Dare Rosenthal - project OT. been ok; still learning
Cam Wire - starting at OT - was a project from the start. has potential
Cole Smith - transferred to MSU
Damien Lewis - NFL

2019:
Kardell Thomas - injury plagued so far but was behind where we thought he would be. Could and should be a very solid OG the next two years
Ray Parker - transferred; could have been a great OT
Anthony Bradford - potentially a solid OG
Thomas Perry - project player
Charles Turner - project player

2020:
Marcus Dumervil - potentially 2-3 OT starter
Marlon Martinez - project player
Xavier Hill - Project player

Most glaring issue is we have no depth. We could have gotten Cush and Charles back. What a world of difference that would make. What I'm seeing here is a lack of quality combined with lack of development. I'm not saying you have to go get 5* OL evry year. But we damn sure better be getting 4 high quality players. They can't all be projects. Most notably, I'm seeing a major lack of turning guys into quality players.

Burrow and the offense masked a lot of OLine deficiencies last year. The accolades they got were deserved but when we had Burrow slinging it to Chase/JJ/TM6/CEH/Moss, the defense had to back off. Guys from the 2018 class should be above where they are and that's on Cregg.

Ideally this would have been your starting OL

Charles - Ingram - Hines - Thomas - Deculus

That would be a hell of a solid OL. I may be off on C but i believe Hines played there some and was ok in Cush's absence.
This post was edited on 11/2/20 at 12:30 pm
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30075 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 12:28 pm to
At a minimum we need two more.

Need Dellinger and Leigh/Byrd


Need at least one interior like foster.


But I’d rather get 4 per year for a while. You
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278179 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

Most notably, I'm seeing a major lack of turning guys into quality players.



What were cushenberry & Damien Lewis?

Lewis didn’t even have any other scholarship offers.

Both are year 1 NFl starters, & Lewis is starting for the best team in the nfc right now lol
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30075 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 12:54 pm to
I think we had a great line last year.



What people forget is that a good line comes from a deep line.

I think the par levels for a good/deep line are this:

LT: 4
Og: 3
C: 3
Og: 3
RT: 3


It’s not that you’ll get 16 men to play all year. It’s that the two guys behind the starters need to mature and learn the offense.

Thst way they come in and start by their junior year.





A thread on parlevels back in 2018.
This post was edited on 11/2/20 at 12:58 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278179 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:07 pm to
And the like last year didn’t really play well until week 5. And they even had offseason together

A whole lot of moving pieces this year. New starters, a transfer, Hines moving back & forth and now Rosenthal going away.

And no prolonged practice time together this offseason

Was easily the biggest concern. It’s hard to individually assess & say alll these guys are bad, given the circumstances
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