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re: O Line is a weakness and we don't seem to be improving it with this class

Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
31707 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:09 pm to
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What were cushenberry & Damien Lewis?


Correct. Those were 2 projects that worked out. And Miles probably needs the credit for Cush.

That's 2/14. The lack of development from the 2018 class as well as the defections are mostly what's causing the shoddy OL play now. Also most notably no spring and a covid marred practice slate.
This post was edited on 11/2/20 at 1:11 pm
Posted by waiting4saturday
Covington, LA
Member since Sep 2005
9718 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:14 pm to
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We need 5 lineman every year until the depth looks amazing. We have undersigned on oline for years now and between early departures, attrition, etc. it's disaster depth wise. I'm not sure how they continue to overlook this and the same could be said at CB. It's not looking like the young CBs we have on this roster panning out so you have to seriously pursue at last another CB in this class. This is the worst thing about O at LSU. He doesn't identify depth weaknesses early enough in recruiting until it's too late. He loves signing way too many in skill positions we're already loaded in like WR.

There's actually several positions on the team depth wise we're not pursuing enough help in.



100%. We got 4 WRs commited and 1 OL. We should have 4-5 OL committed and 2-3 WRs. We're stacked at WR and can always get quality WRs in state whenever we want.

8-10 spots every year should be dictated to OL and DTs/SDE.
Posted by alumni95
Member since Jun 2004
7587 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:27 pm to
Every year Bama (& UGA to a lesser extent) stack the big ugly hogmollies across the OL. Bama routinely gets 2 of the Top 5 OL (#1 & #2 for 2021 Class), top OG, and OC whenever they want. It’s a HUGE (pun intended?) part of their success.
Posted by Nissanmaxima
Member since Feb 2006
14928 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:38 pm to
Yep! Go and check and see how many stud OL Alabama and Georgia have committed, it's sickening!
Posted by wildcat81tiger86
Member since Feb 2014
1002 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:45 pm to
A lot of good posts in this thread.

3 per year is not enough.
I would prefer 4 to 5.
15 to 16 total OL.

Because you will miss your evaluation on some and some will not pan out for a variety of reasons.

WR should be about 10 imo.

One thing in recruiting that I think that Coach O is struggling with is maintaining overall balance in the 85 man roster.
This is also due to a variety of reasons: early entry into the NFL draft; other transfers; etc.
The main thing that I fault Coach O far is the decisions regarding numbers.
1 cb plus Kelvin Joseph was not a good decision at all.
Imo we should be signing a minimum of 2 cb yearly and a total of 4 to 5 total db yearly.

I honestly think that the current roster is not very well balanced.
Posted by Double Down
Mayor of St. George
Member since Dec 2007
6491 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:51 pm to
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f Cregg cannot recruit these guys here, find someone who can

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This man gets it.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278311 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:51 pm to
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honestly think that the current roster is not very well balanced.



LSU faced an unprecedented number of underclassmen leave for the draft as it was.

Since then, they’ve lost 8 guys that were slated to be starters. Whether it be from Covid opt out, transfer, or expulsion/suspension.


It’s impossible to plan for that.


So yea, the roster balance is off, for sure.

Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:54 pm to
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I honestly think that the current roster is not very well balanced.


Other than CB and maybe Safety, he’s been better about balance than Miles ever was. The issue has been a few key misses and a lot of defections and dismissals. You pile the ones that have happened over time on top of the mass exodus after last season and that’s your biggest problem. There’s no way to recruit around that many people leaving.

That’s said, O can obviously do better with balance and numbers and will have to as far behind the 85 limit as we are now.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:54 pm to
I'd say as good as this class is it's not targeting depth problems in certain positions. I'd say DT, OL, CB, and LB are all major concerns. S isn't really an issue right now because they have 2 in this class plus 2 more coming in already. I suppose they feel like Sage Ryan could fill a CB need if absolutely necessary so he's kinda like an option at CB/S if they want.

Keep in mind they're not going to sign everyone in this class. People are going to decommit especially the way this season is going. They're really skirting it tight on some depth positions. There's fluidity that needs to happen in our recruiting. As the season progresses they have to identify guys who are not panning out or players they know will leave early. They don't see to balance this out well enough and readjust who their priority is in recruiting. They identify it before the season starts and that's not going to work when all of a sudden LB becomes a need for reasons.
This post was edited on 11/2/20 at 1:59 pm
Posted by wildcat81tiger86
Member since Feb 2014
1002 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 2:00 pm to
Yes but it is more than just this year Lester.

We all know the reasons for this year and I agree that it is practically impossible to plan for a year like this one but it started with poor roster mgt in recruiting before this year re: Surtain/Joseph and now zero DBs are on the roster from that class. Missing on a guy is ok but Coach O admitted that his plan for that class was 1 cb.
That is just a bad plan.

Last year we took 3 OL. If we only take 3 OL this year then that is only 6 in a 2 year period. That will put us in trouble in the future even if all 6 pan out which most likely will not happen.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278311 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 2:02 pm to
You can’t force what is not there.

They need tackles & it they can pair Leigh with Dellenger that fills a big need. IOL is good
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 2:03 pm to
This is absolutely true and what I was getting at above. You can't sign 6 lineman in 2 years. Even if by some miracle they all pan out as you said it's just punting the ball down the line waiting for it to become trouble. You don't fill the gaps like this every class. If you continue to recruit like the way he has we're going to have "rebuild" years like this when LSU is capable of being a steady consistent NC contender with their level of recruiting capability.

We'll never be on Bama or even Ohio State's level as long as they keep unbalanced recruiting like this punted down the line.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 2:09 pm to
Well, I get what you're saying you can't plan for things like this but why does other programs like Bama seem to do better?

I think it goes deeper than them just balancing the roster in recruiting. LSU has a major culture problem in the locker room where it's an NFL factory of selfish players who are willing to leave if they have any kind of draft grade on them. It's the program culture. Bama does not have this issue. Whatever they do over there they sell it better and are able to keep guys hanging around longer. they have a much better program culture that's not selfish. It's not poor kids either. Plenty of kids they recruit are from the projects with high grades hanging around to get a higher draft grade.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278311 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 2:15 pm to
What specific player(s) are you attributing to a culture problem? I’m just curious
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5013 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 2:21 pm to
Xavier hill is not a project player. He was a 4* that was committed to Bama
Posted by wildcat81tiger86
Member since Feb 2014
1002 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 2:24 pm to
My interpretation of deuce statement is not necessarily any particular individual players but the leave early for the NFL culture that seemed to be going on even under Les Miles.
It is not a trying to blame certain players but how can the team that we root for become more stable and consistent.
Clemson and Alabama both seem to be able to get more kids to return for their senior season.
This post was edited on 11/2/20 at 2:28 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278311 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 2:53 pm to
I think that is more perception then reality. Especially under Orgeron.

Even after the greatest season in CFB history, he was able to recruit a few guys back that could have gone in the draft.

I don’t see a pattern & I think more times than not it’s coincidental
Posted by AncientMarsupial3
Member since Feb 2020
216 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 3:02 pm to
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Xavier hill is not a project player. He was a 4* that was committed to Bama


Just because he’s highly rated doesn’t mean he’s not a project player. Plenty of 5 stars are rated there purely based on potential
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
23595 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 3:30 pm to
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O Line is a weakness

agreed...

quote:

we don't seem to be improving it with this class

depends on Leigh... if we don't get him we are frickED....
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 3:32 pm to
None. I think it's just a problem within the entire program itself at LSU. That's why get these mass exodus situations. Sure, other players sitting out this year didn't help but we've ended up with problems in the past with way too many players leaving early.
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