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re: LSU basketball transfer portal watch

Posted on 4/8/23 at 9:56 pm to
Posted by Tigerfan14
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 9:56 pm to
I like Chest but I’m just not sure how much he plays. McMohan disappointed me with his lack of effort to integrate the freshman into games last year. I can’t see him carving a role out for Chest right off the bat. I’m interested to see how Ward and Reed progress, assuming they don’t leave
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 11:04 am to
We need another perimeter shooter too. Cook and Wright will help but other than them everyone is adequate at best. We need more 40 percenters.
Posted by Rb52224
Member since Dec 2019
424 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 11:07 am to
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So he didn’t stretch the defense because he could knock down the 3? Interesting. You watch him any this year or just the tournament?


I’ve watched the majority of UConn games and seen Sanogo for 3 years. Taking 1 three a game does not make somebody a stretch 5. 90% of the time he is underneath the basket.

Jake Stephens, KJ Williams, Drew Pember, Jack Nunge, Grant Basile and Branden Carlson are examples of stretch 5s this year. Sanogo’s skill set is completely different than these players
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 11:43 am to
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We need another perimeter shooter too. Cook and Wright will help but other than them everyone is adequate at best. We need more 40 percenters.


They need to grab a 2 guard from one of these lesser conferences. Someone who was the player of the year or top scorer in a conference.

That would be my approach. We are probably not going to get the cream of the crop from the bigger conferences, so grab some top players from lesser conferences.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 1:01 pm to
I think Chest will play a good bit. He reminds me of Emmitt Williams but with better ability in treansition. I think he’ll show ability to stretch as he matures, too,

Emmitt as a freshman gave you 7/5 in 20mpg. I think Chest can give you that.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
168457 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 1:39 pm to
Cryer to UH
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21005 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 7:50 pm to
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Portal Targets
BJ Mack-Wofford
Nick Timberlake-Towson
Amaree Abram-Ole Miss
TJ Bamba-Washington State
Kadin Shedrick-Virginia
Joe Girard-Syracuse
Will Baker-Nevada


quote:

Virginia transfer Kadin Shedrick tells me he will decide between the following five schools:

Duke
Texas
Missouri
Kansas State
Xavier
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 8:17 pm to
Moussa Cisse in the portal

Should we? tPear should
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
1112 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 9:01 pm to
both incoming players are better in advanced metrics than KJ who was our best player last year. KJ wasnt really that good because his defense was awful.

another huge factor is that mwani wilkinson is a shutdown defender and SEC level athlete and his return is big.

if we get a league average center in addition to the current additions, its unquestionable the team is better.

cook is an upgrade on both ends of the ball. so is wright. chest is a magnficent athlete like mwani and no one else.

last year the total inability of the tiny guards to shoot from outside bogged down the entire offense. add amaree abram to the guards we now have and that should be much better. and that will be a massive change to what they can do offensively.

Posted by macaoidh
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 8:45 am to
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Moussa Cisse in the portal

Should we? tPear should


He would absolutely fit a need. We've got to have a rim protector, and he is that.

Can't score other than right around the goal (he's one of the worst free throw shooters in the country, too), but he gives you 8 rebounds a game and two blocks a game playing 18 minutes or so. That would be plenty if we paired him with somebody like Baker who can shoot from the high post.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
33927 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:34 am to
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KJ wasnt really that good because his defense was awful.


KJ wasn't a great defender. But he was far from awful. He had a positive defensive +/- rating and decent (for this team) defensive rating. Combine that with the fact he was a top 5 offensive player in the league (efficiency and raw numbers), and he is a big loss no matter how much optimism you pump in trying to downplay it.

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another huge factor is that mwani wilkinson is a shutdown defender and SEC level athlete and his return is big.


Is he? I feel like we've been saying this about Wilkinson for 3 years now. Yet, despite two years of starting he's been a complementary piece, at best. Not a game-changer by any means. Certainly it would have been nice to have him last season, but it's hard to say his return is "big".

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cook is an upgrade on both ends of the ball.


Offensively, yes. Defensively? Maybe. He was ok at Tulane defensively. Not great.

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last year the total inability of the tiny guards to shoot from outside bogged down the entire offense.


What? LSU had ONE "tiny" guard. Hill. The rest were 6'3 (Miller), 6'3 (Hayes), 6'3" (J. Williams), 6'2 (Hannibal)

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add amaree abram to the guards we now have and that should be much better. and that will be a massive change to what they can do offensively.


Abram was a solid player for Ole Miss. He's a guy you take if he wants in. But he wasn't terribly efficient. He shot 40% overall and only 68% from the FT line. He also had an Asst/TO ratio of 1:1. That's not great.

He was a freshman. He has ability. He showed some flashes with big games last season. But he also had several rough ones as well. There is no doubt he is someone you hope will continue to develop. But I'm not ready to say simply sticking him in the line up will bring about "massive" change.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21005 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:38 am to
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More Jonathan Pierre...


Committed to Memphis
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
71489 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:46 am to
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KJ wasnt really that good because his defense was awful.



This is a major swing and a miss right here

Assuming we get the kid from Nevada, it's a downgrade specifically there
This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 9:48 am
Posted by Stately
St. Jawj
Member since Aug 2019
167 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:54 am to
If KJ fouled out, there was no chance we were gonna score over 40 in game this year, so he couldn't play very physical on defense.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
71489 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 10:09 am to
KJ was an average defensive player by basically any metric. He was a VERY good offensive player and was good on the offensive glass.

For that other guy to call him not that good is a gigantic over exaggeration, we arent finding someone better more than likely in that specific situation.

The center from Nevada who seems like we lead for isnt as good offensively (but thats his strength) and provides zero rim protection for a 7 footer as well as doesnt really rebound much.

We are going to miss KJ a ton, but certainly still can get a better team depending on who all we land. Just thought it was funny someone was trying to actually downplay how good KJ was for us.
This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 10:11 am
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
717 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:42 am to
KJ was great for the team, but I don’t think he was a good defender. I also don’t think he was awful. Will Baker is also not a great defender, but also not awful. Will is slightly more efficient offensively than KJ. KJ was only getting 9.4 rebounds per 40 minutes, to Will’s 8.1, so the difference is small in rebounding too. So if we get Will Baker, I think he will be very close to what we got from KJ. Will will be a downgrade, but he will come close to filling the gap left by KJ. I think Baker can do as well as KJ offensively, but with Cook he won’t have to, and Baker could be comparable defensively, since he won’t have to fear fouling out. Both are more offensive players.

Cook and Wright are upgrades, so with Will, I think we will be a better team overall. If we get Baker, then the key to our success will be who fills the last 2 spots. I hope 1 is a good rim protector that isn’t otherwise a liability.
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
1112 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 12:25 pm to
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This is a major swing and a miss right here


i subscribe to an analytics site and it shows his defensive numbers are negative. you have numbers showing his defensive analytics to be good?
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
1112 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 12:33 pm to
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What? LSU had ONE "tiny" guard. Hill. The rest were 6'3 (Miller), 6'3 (Hayes), 6'3" (J. Williams), 6'2 (Hannibal)


hannibal was tiny. miller wasnt big.

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Is he? I feel like we've been saying this about Wilkinson for 3 years now.


yes. i didnt say he was a scorer. he is a very good defender.

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But I'm not ready to say simply sticking him in the line up will bring about "massive" change


agreed but i meant and said add him to what the we already have (cook and wright) and thats amassive change (from hill and miller).
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21005 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 12:37 pm to
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i subscribe to an analytics site and it shows his defensive numbers are negative. you have numbers showing his defensive analytics to be good?


There's analytics and then there's the fact that without KJ Lsu doesn't win hardly any games last season.
Posted by mcmaniacinsaneasylum
BOOT UP
Member since Feb 2023
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 12:43 pm to
KJ's defense was bad from an eye test perspective too, even in non-conference play. The difference between KJ and a player like Juice Hill is their contribution on the other side of the ball.

Hill was a negative on both sides of the ball which is why he got so much hate. KJ's defense was bad but when you drop 30 and 10 and carry a team to victory it doesn't really matter.
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