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Lack of difference making portal additions
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:09 pm
I know Brian Kelly preaches wanting to build through the high school ranks. I understand what he’s trying to get at from a long term standpoint.
Problem is, HS players are young inexperienced and a lot of times not physically ready for the rigors of the SEC.
If you don’t supplement solid recruiting classes with solid transfer classes, we will be stuck in the same predicament.
You think Ole Miss regrets bringing in a Walter Nolen and Umanmielen, you think Oregon regrets bringing in a Dillon Gabriel and Harmon and Stewart, how about Miami with Cam Ward, OSU with Judkins and Downs, Bama with Proctor and Brailsford, Aggies with Scourton, Texas with Bond and Makuba.
I could go on and on and on. If LSU doesn’t start bringing in these types of players as well we are going to keep being middle of the pack.
As good as this upcoming class is, we need multiple starting caliber players at a plethora of positions, IOL, S, LB, DT, DE, TE, that frankly our class isn’t going to shore up.
We have a big opportunity to finish the year strong and carry momentum going into 2025, but if we get left at the altar again in the transfer portal and bring in another extremely underwhelming transfer class, it’s gonna be very hard to compete next year.
Problem is, HS players are young inexperienced and a lot of times not physically ready for the rigors of the SEC.
If you don’t supplement solid recruiting classes with solid transfer classes, we will be stuck in the same predicament.
You think Ole Miss regrets bringing in a Walter Nolen and Umanmielen, you think Oregon regrets bringing in a Dillon Gabriel and Harmon and Stewart, how about Miami with Cam Ward, OSU with Judkins and Downs, Bama with Proctor and Brailsford, Aggies with Scourton, Texas with Bond and Makuba.
I could go on and on and on. If LSU doesn’t start bringing in these types of players as well we are going to keep being middle of the pack.
As good as this upcoming class is, we need multiple starting caliber players at a plethora of positions, IOL, S, LB, DT, DE, TE, that frankly our class isn’t going to shore up.
We have a big opportunity to finish the year strong and carry momentum going into 2025, but if we get left at the altar again in the transfer portal and bring in another extremely underwhelming transfer class, it’s gonna be very hard to compete next year.
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:14 pm to TexasTiger88
Totally agree. 3-4 impact players on both sides of the ball. Or else the conversations we are having now about being disappointed with the season will repeat next year.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:16 pm to TexasTiger88
What happened to Jaire Brown and JK Johnson.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:16 pm to TexasTiger88
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As good as this upcoming class is, we need multiple starting caliber players at a plethora of positions, IOL, S, LB, DT, DE, TE, that frankly our class isn’t going to shore up.
Sure you can see what’s available at these positions, but you have guys on the roster now that can step in too. They need time and development.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:29 pm to IntenseKid
To put it in simplest terms, they both suck.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:48 pm to TexasTiger88
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you think Oregon regrets bringing in a Dillon Gabriel
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how about Miami with Cam Ward
We brought in a QB that won the heisman.
Our top 4 WRs are all transfers.
Our top DL is a transfer and is currently top 5 in the SEC in sacks.
Our starting OG was a transfer until he got hurt.
We had 2 transfer DT's drafted this past year.
Our top RB last year was a transfer.
In year 1 our top DBs were transfers - and they worked out.
We went out and got a 5* CB transfer last year and turns out he's a headcase.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:51 pm to Beef Supreme
^
Read that, OP, then delete this thread.
We have tried to recruit in portal. We've done well, it just so happens the portal isn't a sure thing either.
I know you won't accept this, and the truth is you just can't handle the reality that LSU is just not good enough yet.
It's not for a lack of trying.
Read that, OP, then delete this thread.
We have tried to recruit in portal. We've done well, it just so happens the portal isn't a sure thing either.
I know you won't accept this, and the truth is you just can't handle the reality that LSU is just not good enough yet.
It's not for a lack of trying.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:02 pm to Beef Supreme
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We brought in a QB that won the heisman. Our top 4 WRs are all transfers. Our top DL is a transfer and is currently top 5 in the SEC in sacks. Our starting OG was a transfer until he got hurt. We had 2 transfer DT's drafted this past year. Our top RB last year was a transfer. In year 1 our top DBs were transfers - and they worked out. We went out and got a 5* CB transfer last year and turns out he's a headcase
The first 2 years of the portal, he did great. It’s ok to admit that he failed miserably this past year other than a few WRs. None of the guys you mentioned that were difference makers were apart of last years transfer class.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:06 pm to TexasTiger88
I dont disagree completely but at what point does bringing in "starter quality" transfers on a yearly basis stunt the growth and development of the recruiting classes? And start costing us young, inexperienced players because they see no path to the field because we constantly bring in kids to play ahead of them.
DT for example, say we bring in a couple of starting DTs, and it costs us McKinley who thinks he is starter quality? Are you OK losing a multi year player for a 1 year rental?
The Lance Heard example rings here. We are saying we are going to need OTs next year, having Heard would alleviate some of that need. What If Weston Davis ,like Heard, believes he's ready yet we take transfers to play ahead of him and he decides to transfer? Is that smart?
At some point you have to allow the recruiting classes to develop or risk losing them before they do. That is Kelly's point. You grt into a cycle where you are constantly using the portal for starters because you've lost all the young potential starters. In other words, the coaches choose the recruits, they need to do their jobs and develop them. Like before the portal.
DT for example, say we bring in a couple of starting DTs, and it costs us McKinley who thinks he is starter quality? Are you OK losing a multi year player for a 1 year rental?
The Lance Heard example rings here. We are saying we are going to need OTs next year, having Heard would alleviate some of that need. What If Weston Davis ,like Heard, believes he's ready yet we take transfers to play ahead of him and he decides to transfer? Is that smart?
At some point you have to allow the recruiting classes to develop or risk losing them before they do. That is Kelly's point. You grt into a cycle where you are constantly using the portal for starters because you've lost all the young potential starters. In other words, the coaches choose the recruits, they need to do their jobs and develop them. Like before the portal.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:22 pm to IntenseKid
These were not impact portal players
You need on offense: a center, a tight end, a receiver and a running back.
Defense: a DT, a LB, and two safeties
You need on offense: a center, a tight end, a receiver and a running back.
Defense: a DT, a LB, and two safeties
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 5:17 am to nwallb9
So you watched Matthew Brune's video. Cool.
The players are not the problem. The coaching is the problem.
LSU has a lot of talented players. Players that a lot of other programs want and or wanted.
LSU fans need to stop acting like the only way LSU can win is if they stack number one recruiting and transfer classes.
LSU has plenty of talent to be an extremely good football team. They have the talent to be in the playoff. They just don't know what to do with it or how to coach it.
The players are not the problem. The coaching is the problem.
LSU has a lot of talented players. Players that a lot of other programs want and or wanted.
LSU fans need to stop acting like the only way LSU can win is if they stack number one recruiting and transfer classes.
LSU has plenty of talent to be an extremely good football team. They have the talent to be in the playoff. They just don't know what to do with it or how to coach it.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 6:48 am to TexasTiger88
Just 3 more years please.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:17 am to TexasTiger88
I agreed with Kelly's approach initially. But after re-thinking it, since you know he asked me to 
, I agree we need to get aggressive in the portal for a couple of guys on each side. Mainly because of the free transfer rule. IF you had to be here 2-3 years before transferring, I'd still agree with Kelly. But your great class this year could see 10-12 of them leave next year.
We need to supplement this great HS classes with solid portal guys each year. Hopefully now that NIL and Thomas seem to be aligned, that is the direction we'll be heading.
, I agree we need to get aggressive in the portal for a couple of guys on each side. Mainly because of the free transfer rule. IF you had to be here 2-3 years before transferring, I'd still agree with Kelly. But your great class this year could see 10-12 of them leave next year. We need to supplement this great HS classes with solid portal guys each year. Hopefully now that NIL and Thomas seem to be aligned, that is the direction we'll be heading.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:29 am to TexasTiger88
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Problem is, HS players are young inexperienced and a lot of times not physically ready for the rigors of the SEC.
It’s a dangerous game.
1. Takes funding away from HS recruiting.
2. Transfers that are worth anything cost big $$ and are 1yr and done.
3. “Most in portal are in the portal for a reason” - Saban
I believe the course BK is on is the most sustainable. Have 90% of HS recruits, land top 10 classes and try to cherry pick transfers. Once you get year 3, year 4, you have built a solid foundation via HS recruits. Very similar to UGA, UA, Oregon.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:32 am to TexasTiger88
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None of the guys you mentioned that were difference makers were apart of last years transfer class.
Most of the guys that were difference makers took 2 year to become difference makers.
Jayden, Swinson, AA, Shand, Zy, etc really came on in year 2.
Maybe give some of this year's transfers more time before you completely dismiss them?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:36 am to Beef Supreme
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Our top 4 WRs are all transfers.
Our top DL is a transfer and is currently top 5 in the SEC in sacks.
Our starting OG was a transfer until he got hurt.
We had 2 transfer DT's drafted this past year.
Our top RB last year was a transfer.
In year 1 our top DBs were transfers - and they worked out.
We went out and got a 5* CB transfer last year and turns out he's a headcase.
Yep. It's the HS classes from 22 and 23 that are killing us. Not many of those have hit and many aren't even on the team anymore.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:10 am to Beef Supreme
Most of those were brought in two years ago. We whiffed big last year. I think the Denver Harris debacle scared them away from several guys this offseason. Florida st. Is a really good example of how bad it can go. Need to get the talent evaluation side fixed this offseason no matter what it takes.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 8:15 am
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:39 am to FATBOY TIGER
LSU doesn't have the talent of past teams. That's why this class is so important.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:47 am to TexasTiger88
I fully get what Kelly is trying to do but he needs to get at least 5-6 difference makers out of the Portal. We need help at OL, DL, and Safety. We need high level guys, not depth guys.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:47 am to TexasTiger88
We take a ton of portal kids every year. Building through HS classes while only taking a few difference makers in the portal is unquestionably the way to go. Fact is you can’t plan for what is in the portal and everyone wants the difference makers. If you can recruit and retain HS kids, it makes maintaining your program much easier
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