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re: Jahkeem Stewart - 2025 #19 by On3 (5*); ESD and EE; OV on 11/9. What has he indicated?

Posted on 10/7/24 at 4:18 am to
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
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Posted on 10/7/24 at 4:18 am to
These strange recruitments tend to lead to mediocre careers.

Just saying.
Posted by SOL2
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Posted on 10/7/24 at 8:02 am to
91 looks good to me
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 10/7/24 at 10:33 am to
Desmond Ricks
Posted by Tigerfan14
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Posted on 10/7/24 at 5:03 pm to
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kids these days are much more prepared to play right out of high school


Again, what DL has done it successfully?
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1972 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 10:31 am to
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how big is he right now?

DT/DL is a hard position to come in and play because most kids just aren’t physically there.

I don't love linemen reclassifying.



For the love of god can we PLEASE cut out this moronic "i'm worried about him reclassifying" nonsense. In september, he was 277lbs. I don't know for sure what he's at now but he's a 16 or 17yr old kid who's 6'6" with a naturally monstrous frame so I highly doubt he's *less* than 277 now.


In any event, it just makes zero sense to me why anyone would be concerned about him not being sufficiently developed physically. The two best role/playstyle comps for Stewart in our most recent class are dom mckinley and gabe reliford - both of whom we were ecstatic to land and are considered major pieces for this DL going forward - and Stewart is pretty comfortably more developed than both of those guys were at this point in their senior year of HS. Again: Those are two of the bluest of blue chip DL recruits, and 10 out of 10 scouts would take stewart now over those guys in october of their senior years. So unless you were concerned about those guys, there's no reason to be concerned about Stewart.


Lastly: For anyone tempted to bring this up again, would you please for the love of god just go look up some photos and clips of this kid? Not only is he already 275+ with absolutely ELITE movement skills, but his frame carries 275 like it's 240. I will be absolutely shocked if stewart doesn't add 20lbs of good weight almost immediately upon getting into a college S&C and nutrition program. This is a kid who, visually, will probably look like an EDGE at 300lbs and like a 3-tech at 320. In fact, if you go slightly under those numbers - say, 295 and 315 - it wouldn't surprise me if he WAS an EDGE (at 295) or a 3-tech (at 315).


Literally when it comes to physicality for DL recruits, jahkeem stewart is pretty much the last guy in the universe you should be worrying about. This is a body that comes around like once every 5 years. Without exaggeration, this is a kid who at his peak could be Travon Walker, physically. (Except based on the way he plays, if that's what he turned into physically, he'd far far outstrip walker's production)
This post was edited on 10/8/24 at 10:37 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 10:34 am to
There are plenty of beast DTs who aren’t ready at 19.

DT is one of the hardest transitions because of the physicality and this kid is going to be a year younger.

He’s also listed at 6-6 270. which is big but not SEC interior linemen big.

This kid is unlikely to be better at 18-20 than he will be 19-21.
This post was edited on 10/8/24 at 10:36 am
Posted by CrystalPreserves
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 11:18 am to
Jahkeem Stewart, the University of LSU
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1972 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 11:20 am to
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Again, what DL has done it successfully?



Good grief this is stupid. Can you name a DL who has done it *unsuccessfully*? MAYBE you can name one? In any event, there's very obviously not enough data to establish that reclassifying has a major impact on career success one way or the other - because the 3-year rule for CFB/NFL draft means that reclassification is barely a thing in CFB anyway. One thing is for sure: It's not as though the annals of CFB history are littered with failed reclassed defensive linemen lmao.


There are, however, plenty of guys who came in and were impact DL as true freshmen. The past prospect I've said all along that Stewart reminds me of in terms of his level of physical dominance is Myles Garrett - who had 11.5 sacks and 14 TFL as a true freshman. A recent 5* DT whose body type and role are highly reminiscent of Stewart's (tho i think stewart has more athletic juice) is Bryan Bresee, who started right off the bat for clemson and made 1st team all-ACC as a true freshman. Ed Oliver, another 5* DT, had 23 TFL for Houston as a true freshman. Gervon Dexter was a 5* much in the physical mold of Stewart who was a major contributor for Florida by the time his true freshman season concluded. DeMarvin Leal started for A&M as a true freshman. Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis were both major parts of UGA's DL rotation as true freshmen. Christian Wilkins was a major contributor for Clemson as a true freshman. Jeffrey simmons at A&M, Kenny Clark at UCLA, chris jones at mississippi state, etc etc etc - the list goes on.


Point is: It's not at all out of the question for true a freshman DT, especially a top-of-the-rankings 5* type like stewart and like most of the guys listed above, to come in and be a major contributor in his first year. And Stewart is a 5* even with the reclassification - it's not like he's just better than HS underclassmen; he might be the best HS defensive lineman full stop. He's won the MVP at plenty of major camps that included guys from the 2025 (and in some cases the 2024) class. Is he a guarantee to contribute right away? No, nobody is - but it's absolutely possible.



And by the way... you realize he has 5 years to play 4, right? There's no requirement that he has to come in and start on day 1. Were you concerned that dom mckinley and gabe reliford weren't going to work out when we signed them in the 2024 cycle? No? Because guess what: Right now, today, Jahkeem Stewart is much much further along (a) physically, and (b) as a player than either of those guys were in october of their senior years. If you weren't whining and being worried about them, then why are you whining and being worried about stewart?
This post was edited on 10/8/24 at 11:22 am
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1972 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 11:27 am to
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There are plenty of beast DTs who aren't ready by 19


Okay? Did they implement a new rule that says if you reclassify you're only eligible until your 19th birthday? I must've missed that.

(Also, just FYI: There are plenty of beast DTs who ARE ready at 19. Neither those guys nor the guys who aren't ready prove anything with respect to the merits of Stewart's decision to reclassify.)

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DT is one of the hardest transitions because of the physicality and this kid is going to be a year younger.



No he's not. He turns 18 during his (new) senior year, just like most HS kids. In any event, I want to highlight something you said, here:

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DT is one of the hardest transitions because of the physicality



See how you didn't say "because of the birthday"? You said because of the physicality. So what we should be evaluating here is Stewart's physicality. Which is, btw, absolutely elite, and ahead of where dom mckinley and gabe reliford were at this point in their senior years.



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He’s also listed at 6-6 270. which is big but not SEC interior linemen big.




1) According to Stewart, he was 277 as of the end of august.


2) Were we going to try to have him play for us *this season*? Here I was thinking he wouldn't be facing college competition for another 10 months. FYI dom mckinley was about the same size, and not as quick or strong, at this point his senior year, and he was up over 310 by the time of LSU's first game of his true freshman season. Maybe you disagree, but (assuming he's developed as a interior DL rather than a DE) I have absolutely zero doubt that Stewart will be over 290 by the time his true freshman season begins. That's absolutely fine for a 3-technique in the SEC (which is what I assume Stewart will be, at least starting out). FYI: The top 3 iDL in the 2024 NFL draft (byron murphy, darius robinson, and ruke orhorhoro) were all sub-300 (and robinson was sub-290).




Last thing - I'd really like you to answer this: If you're so concerned that Jahkeem stewart is going to be too small to hack it as a college football player, why weren't you concerned about dom mckinley and gabe reliford last year?
This post was edited on 10/8/24 at 11:42 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 11:55 am to
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Okay? Did they implement a new rule that says if you reclassify you're only eligible until your 19th birthday? I must've missed that.


no but he won’t be 20 till his JR year.

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Also, just FYI: There are plenty of beast DTs who ARE ready at 19. Neither those guys nor the guys who aren't ready prove anything with respect to the merits of Stewart's decision to reclassify.)


No there aren’t Plenty of them. Compared to RB and WR where people have come in and been not just good for a FR but objectively good, you just don’t see it happens anywhere near as often at DT.

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See how you didn't say "because of the birthday"? You said because of the physicality. So what we should be evaluating here is Stewart's physicality. Which is, btw, absolutely elite, and ahead of where dom mckinley and gabe reliford were at this point in their senior years.


he’s 277 pounds that’s just light. and McKinnley was light too. But McKinnley didn’t skip a year of physical development to come to college.

It’s not whether this kid will be good, but whether his college career is best served by being on the younger end.

This move is because hell be 20 years old as a JR and won’t turn 21 until right after the draft. Thats great from a prospect standpoint.

But is his college career best served being 18 and 19 his freshmen and sophomore season vs being 19 and 20?




Posted by Gumpsbleaux
Texas
Member since Jan 2021
261 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 1:20 pm to
Exactly, people also keep saying he’s 277 like that means anything, 99% of DT prospects are 275 pounds plus coming out of high school. Just take a look at Stewart’s legs and then try and convince yourself he’ll be dominating sec players next year (he won’t, he like most other DT prospects will need to gain tremendous amounts of muscle in his lower body). These people keep seeing 6’6 277 and think that means he’s ready, he needs a year of intense lower body exercises. Even Breaux at 245 lbs last year had thicker legs coming out than Stewart
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75273 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 1:23 pm to
again it’s not some huge knock on the kid to say he’d be better in college if he was 19 as a freshmen.

I’m not saying don’t take him. Im not saying he won’t be good.

i’m saying there aren’t a lot of great 19 year old DTs and it sucks that he can leave at 20.
Posted by MamboMilly
KY
Member since Nov 2019
105 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 9:32 pm to
I am fairly certain Amobi Okoye started for the u of Louisville at DT at 16 after only playing 1 year in high school.
Went on to be drafted in the 1st round
This post was edited on 10/8/24 at 9:33 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75273 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 9:45 pm to
he didn’t really do anything at Louisville till his senior year and they were in the Big East.

he had like 17 tackles as a freshmen.

Posted by FriscoTiger
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Member since Aug 2005
4045 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 10:30 pm to
Davin Goucheaux started as a freshman and Breaux is doing it this year, but both were out of necessity. I would rather have DT’s that are 20-22 years old that have been in the program a few years.
Posted by Ironhead985
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
8996 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 10:50 pm to
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Has another player ever reclassified AND been an early enrollee?
one of our backup quarterbacks did that. Colin Hurley did that. When he got to campus, he was 16.
Posted by Ironhead985
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
8996 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 10:56 pm to
Doesn’t have to play next year. He’s in better hands getting coached up by two of the best defensive line coaches in college over any highschool coach. I wouldn’t expect the dude to come in and start right away as a 17 year old. However, you get a talent like him on campus however you can.
Posted by 5iveEuax4eaux
Member since Jan 2020
617 posts
Posted on 10/9/24 at 7:26 am to
Amobi Okoye was 16 years old and like 280 lb when he got to Louisville. Ended up being a top 10 pick at 19.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
284818 posts
Posted on 10/9/24 at 7:32 am to
Stewart will be 18 when he takes his first college snap
Posted by FMtTXtiger
Member since Oct 2018
4515 posts
Posted on 10/9/24 at 1:44 pm to
We need better football players and he is one of them.
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