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re: Genuine question, not melting at all - Why are we unable to match other schools' in NIL?

Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:37 pm to
Posted by tigahdor
Member since Feb 2022
58 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:37 pm to
Mostly agree but you're thinking of Texas for the collective NIL (Clark Field) and small dollar stuff. UT was early in all of that stuff that's technically legal but still helps in recruiting.

Iirc A&M hasn't announced any NIL collectives and only recently a small dollar thing. The main stuff they're doing is under the table for a reason.

Very different approach between the two. UT's boosters tend to be the "snooty" kind that actually care (arguably too much) about doing things above board as much as possible. A&M's boosters give zero shits about the rules, players committing crimes, etc. They're letting Jimbo run a win at all costs program like he did at FSU but with more money.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
44079 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:41 pm to
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But now all of a sudden we are absolutely scraping the barrel just for one NIL deal at the end of the recruiting cycle.


Priority was getting rid of O

That's done & now we'll have this fixed for 2022 and beyond. Even with this, still got a nice class.
Posted by NWHoustonTiger
Cypress, TX
Member since Sep 2010
735 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:41 pm to
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When your alumni run the likes of Exxon and ConocoPhillips,their resources are unlimited.It’s the NFL with zero salary cap.


It’s more the families who own closely-held oilfield services companies, chemical manufacturers/distributors (see the McFerrin family), E&P companies, or just hold energy-related investments that reliably generate millions in income per year (2020 excluded). A&M has a huge group of alums that fit this profile and they all love football.
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4096 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

&M has $13.5 Billion endowment
LSU has a $550 million endowment


That is academics and most of that is due to Oil and Gas royalties from Texas State lands being automatically allocated to the Aggie Endowment. That is not a function of donor donations. Now, the NIL money is a function of boosters willing to pony up and try to buy a National Title something Aggie$$$$ haven't done since pre World War 2 (from the USA perspective), winning the 1939 AP title.
Posted by Mats86
Member since Mar 2021
4652 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:47 pm to
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But how is it that A&M can offer more to the ~15th best guy in their class than we can offer to one of our top 3-4 targets?


Is there some sort of factual basis to this, or are you just speculating?
Posted by denvertiger
Golden
Member since Feb 2007
4242 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:48 pm to
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Why pay for something unproven?


A&M's class is one for the ages. Do that twice more and you've got a legitimate national title contender in College Station. If Nick Saban's taught us anything, it's that you don't need all the 5-stars...just a bunch of 'em.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:48 pm to
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It's not that we can't match. The problem is that our mongoloid previous coach thought all he had to do was make a roux to sign recruits.

We are late to the party.


Another Coach O casualty. We don't have our system fully in place.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
27713 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:50 pm to
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The FLa. schools are back in the game with legislation just like ours.


Nope. They got their law, which was similar to ours, changed in December. They can now directly assist kids in setting up NIL deals. Woodward and our boosters need to pressure the state house to alter the LA NIL law in similar ways. What we really need is a federal law so everyone is playing by the same standards.

As for the “woe is us, we’re po” and fricking endowment size, it’s clear many of you have no idea what you are talking about with NIL. A&M’s boosters built an infrastructure of LLCs that multiple boosters could fund to pay recruits. Their laws aren’t that different than ours, but they worked around them effectively.

Texas went a different route. They set up non-profits and charities that work to pay players for their sponsorship of whatever that charity is. They are also paying players more equally across the board, rather than individually negotiating deals like A&M. Both methods have worked.

Right now, we have individuals or single companies signing deals with players. It isn’t that we don’t have alumni money. It’s that we don’t have the infrastructure to pool it together the way A&M does today. And just to be clear, it isn’t just LSU that missed this trick. Bama, OSU, Clemson and UGA didn’t do this either.

All of the other top programs will be scrambling to build similar NIL clearinghouses this off-season. It sucks that A&M and Texas got there first, but that’s really what this all boils down to. Yes, they do both have a lot of money and more than us, but they aren’t going to pay what we’ve seen this year indefinitely. Some have said both schools expect regulations to come soon that will limit what they are doing, so they both went all-in this year. It wouldn’t surprise me if that ends up happening when you have a guy like Saban out there publicly complaining.
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1973 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:50 pm to
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Is there some sort of factual basis to this, or are you just speculating?



The fact that Mathews is heading to TAMU? He is nowhere near the top of A&M's class, but would be top 3-4 for us. Yet they are offering more than us.
Posted by Tiger987
Member since Nov 2021
1082 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:53 pm to
Good Question
Posted by Woodman
Seattle WA
Member since Aug 2009
2297 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:21 pm to
Endowment money can’t be used in NIL. A&M must generate a huge amount of alumni pride to get that sort of endowment. The alumni at A&M are likely more diversified and not primarily involved in the management of oil and chemical companies. The bigger question is where the main employers in Louisiana are based.
Posted by sosaysmorvant
River Parishes, LA
Member since Feb 2008
1403 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:37 pm to
Basic math

A&M has more money to spend. A lot more. Get used to it.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
32303 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:59 pm to
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Lol it’s absolutely that we can’t match! Our fan base keeps celebrating the little Gordon deals while the Aggies have billionaires lined up to outbid.

There’s much more resources there for alignment

I'm not suggesting that we have as big a purse to use as other schools but lets not act like A&M is cutting multimillion dollar deals to all of their recruits.
Posted by tigahdor
Member since Feb 2022
58 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 2:24 pm to
A&M isn't following the laws, plain and simple. In Texas it's actually a felony to offer "inducements" to high schoolers in recruiting. A&M is obviously doing it anyway.

It's one of the reasons UT is following the "across the board" strategy. UT isn't offering individual deals to these high schoolers. The players just know that everyone at their position gets $X/year so they will too. It's technically legal. The legal route isn't as effective though because the money gets spread out instead of being directed specifically to 5 stars.
Posted by tigergirl26
Member since Jan 2013
1286 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 2:29 pm to
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Everyone keeps tossing out that aTm is the biggest and richest. That might be true about their endowment, but that has nothing to do with NIL.


It does when the businessmen responsible for the endowment is funding the NIL money too. The NIL money they're giving is probably something they can remake in a day or week.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 2:30 pm to
It makes plenty of sense. What do you not understand? TAMU bought a historic class because they want to buy a championship at all costs even if it somehow put them on the death penalty. They're tired of doing nothing and they know the clock is ticking with Texas coming into the SEC. Once they're in they know they're fricked and back to little brother.

You can't compete against a university willing to spend anything to get what they want.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
8258 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 3:25 pm to
Of course the endowment money can’t be used as the NIL rules forbid it.

The point is that the Texas A&M alumni have much deeper pockets than LSU alumni have. That’s not even debatable.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
61210 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 5:53 pm to
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This is kind of part of my point. LSU has never had the slightest bit of trouble raising booster money for the football program.


The “football program” is one thing. These businessmen are dealing with professionals who represent LSU and have seen us win 3 NCs and play for another in an 18-season stretch.

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But now all of a sudden we are absolutely scraping the barrel just for one NIL deal at the end of the recruiting cycle.


Can you not see now now these same businessmen, who have seen their dollars go directly to LSU and subsequently seen LSU reap the benefits of the NCs I just mentioned, including one literally just 2 years ago that is the only 15-0 NC ever, generally considered the greatest CFB of all time, and that produced only the school’s 2nd Heisman Trophy winner and best player in program history, may be a little hesitant to have to start kissing the asses of 17-year-old-kids by giving them hundreds of thousands of dollars EVERY year.

We don’t have the same money as A&M, but more importantly, we’re not as desperate or quick to spend it in this new way yet. Especially when it hasn’t been proven to correlate to National Championships yet. If the Aggies run off a couple in a row, we might have some guys change their minds. But their cash has contributed to 3 NCs in the past 18 seasons, 5 SEC Champjonships in the past 20, poaching the 2nd best active WCBB coach and probably a top 10 of all time, not to mention a ton of expensive upgrades to sports venues all over campus.
Posted by the4thgen
Dallas, tx
Member since Sep 2010
1849 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 6:18 pm to
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But how is it that A&M can offer more to the ~15th best guy in their class than we can offer to one of our top 3-4 targets? Like... they've already shelled out WAY more cash than us, and they're still blowing us out of the water on every remaining target? Surely they don't have THAT much more money, do they? Based on the way this class has come together, it seems like we have about 10% as much money to play with as they do.



aTm has waaay more money, boosters with money, and brainwashed fanbase to be able to easily write whatever check they want to to whoever they want to. Why do you think they didn't blink when they extended one of the already largest coaching contracts in history for a guy that was .500 in the league? Money is truely not an issue for those guys.
Posted by Longhairdontcare06
Member since Oct 2021
57 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 6:26 pm to
Like Bobby jindal huh
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