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Posted on 2/4/21 at 7:25 am to STEVED00
I have no sympathy for them. The players have whined about being mistreated and "slaves" to the schools who give them scholarships, money, food, elite training etc. So the NCAA caves and gives them the option to transfer and basically be free agents. Well you live by the sword you die by it. Ultimately transfers of any kind should not be allowed until 3 years out of HS. Force these young uneducated, naive kids to live with a decision, deal with adversity and maybe just maybe DEVELOP into a contributing player before they jump at transferring away because they didnt play or start their first year.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 7:34 am to 904
Isn't that the case for us at our jobs? If we are not happy, we leave to find another job. If we are not good enough, we don't find that job. We get paid and we quit for better opportunities. That is called freedom. What if your boss said you don't know what you want, you should stay irrespective for 4 years.
These are amateurs. The choice they are making are theirs and they will enjoy the consequences.
I'm all up for locking the best players at LSU for 3 years
These are amateurs. The choice they are making are theirs and they will enjoy the consequences.
I'm all up for locking the best players at LSU for 3 years
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 7:37 am
Posted on 2/4/21 at 7:38 am to 904
CFP is not ruining college football. If anything the CFP helps this cause by giving more teams a chance. Players dont give a shite about playing in meaningless bowl games like they did in the 90's and 2000's, so the only way to help is to have more teams in the playoffs.
The bowl games should be the 1st and 2nd rounds of a 16 or 32 team playoff.
The bowl games should be the 1st and 2nd rounds of a 16 or 32 team playoff.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 7:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Burrow was a graduate transfer and was not given playing time
Kinda different huh?
Kinda different huh?
Posted on 2/4/21 at 7:51 am to the LSUSaint
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Mannie Netherly
frick him.
Agreed.
Mannie Bothans died to bring us this information.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 7:53 am to TigerCard
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Ross Dellenger has written an article
Undoubtedly it's about how scary Covid is. I don't think he's written about much of anything else.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 7:55 am to TigerCard
There should be a rule requiring players to spend two years with the school they signed their original LOI with before being allowed to enter the transfer portal.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 7:56 am
Posted on 2/4/21 at 8:07 am to Laman1978
Agreed.
I support a two year minimum. I’ve seen good players held hostage by a-hole coaches playing favorites. The CFP nips that in the bud.
I support a two year minimum. I’ve seen good players held hostage by a-hole coaches playing favorites. The CFP nips that in the bud.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 8:08 am to Laman1978
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There should be a rule requiring players to spend two years with the school they signed their original LOI with before being allowed to enter the transfer portal.
I say once you are NFL draft eligible, you are free to transfer wherever you please penalty free. If you decide to transfer before then, you sit for one year
Posted on 2/4/21 at 8:18 am to the LSUSaint
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Burrow was a graduate transfer and was not given playing time
Kinda different huh?
i don't think netherly was really in line for playing time. i think the only game of any meaningful time was that bowl game when we had no DBs
and graduate transfer means nothing. it's still quitting (transferring), you just didn't have to sit out a year. the NCAA carving out an exception to the rule on sitting a year in no way impacts whether the act of transferring is quitting. everyone wanted to call Gilbert a quitter when he is also part of a different NCAA exception that allows quitting (Transferring) without having to sit out
Posted on 2/4/21 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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and graduate transfer means nothing. it's still quitting (transferring), you just didn't have to sit out a year. the NCAA carving out an exception to the rule on sitting a year in no way impacts whether the act of transferring is quitting.
I think that is bullshite. Once you graduate you have fulfilled your obligation to the University. Most people that graduate don't hang around at the school for another year.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 8:32 am to TigerCard
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Barry says Group of Five coaches are worried about Power 5 teams poaching their best players, and Power 5 teams are fearing that their depth will suffer as talented backups leave for starting roles elsewhere. Recruiting a player from a college team before he enters the portal is against NCAA rules, but it’s still rampant now.
Geez that’s a great article. Very comprehensive and well written.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 8:40 am to 904
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The transfer portal in combination with the CFB playoff/selection committee has already started to sour the sport immensely.
Throw in the Alabama burnt out factor which is very real and it makes it even worse! NCAA better do something quickly because fans will start to lose interest just like the NFL, NBA and MLB are feeling today!
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 8:43 am
Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:00 am to BayouTigers4Life
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BayouTigers4Life
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They have to find a way to enforce a strict 25-man limit or go even further and reduce the scholarships to stop the 5-6 big dogs from stockpiling all the talent
If they reduce scholarships to 20 hard cap every year along with the NFL allowing players leaving after 1 year the elite players will not be stockpile on the best teams.
Quit the paying the players talk and let's get back to "STUDENT ATHLETES" where we are supposed to be. I have no problem with 18 to 22 year old football players getting paid and we have an organization "THE NFL" that is set up to do this.
College football is about student athletes getting an education and playing for their school.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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graduate transfer means nothing. it's still quitting
Maybe you are trolling, but that's a horrible take.
The entire point of college is to get a degree. Your obligation is to stay and graduate, while the school's obligation is to assist you in that endeavor. Once you have graduated, the obligation is over.
Do you considered an NFL player who leaves when his contract is up a quitter if he signs with another team?
The graduate transfer rule is one of the few good things the NCAA has done in my lifetime.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:21 am to STEVED00
quote:Maybe. Instead of opening the floodgates I see it as planting a seed that opened eyes to another angle.
IMO Justin Fields and how the NCAA handled that situation is the biggest reason the flood gates opened. He was given a no penalty transfer bc of a “hardship” that was somewhat arbitrary.
However, see here: NCAA Handout for DIV I Transfer ProcessI'd like to point the board to page 2 of that handout and the mitigations for immediate eligibility. Those are in place regardless of the permanent 1-time waiver being tabled and were pre-covid (e.g. Fields).
"Mental Health" is one of those mitigations. Not "Mental Illness". Two different things. And that's why the "mental health" of Arik Gilbert was out there as one of the reasons why he was transferring. So he could apply for that mitigation, which supersedes the conference block, if approved in review by the NCAA.
Those mitigations, IF the NCAA starts approving them in the review process, are what will open the floodgates. So not Fields but Gilbert will be the one that opens the floodgates IF it goes that way.
Many here ragged on Orgeron for the "body hurts" comments. It was actually pretty smart; AND, it wasn't throwing Gilbert under the bus like many claim. By making that statement, publicly, it MAY preempt any of those mitigation claims and cause Gilbert to have to sit. Now, Orgeron probably wanted to cause him to miss out on immediate eligibility so he would come back to the team (because he is indeed an incredible talent, physically). But IF he didn't, another team would at least struggle to field him on the '21 season just because LSU can point the NCAA to that "body hurts" statement as a reason why his claims of mental health are false and cause him to not get immediate eligibility.
"Mental Health" is very subjective. All it depends on is statements from the player, and maybe immediate family. So it will be the mechanism through which the flood will come.
ETA: forgot to mention this- On page 2 of that handout you will also see that the review process for immediate eligibility is only initiated after the receiving school requests it. So a player who doesn't qualify for an immediate eligibility waiver (such as Covid rules which only apply to spring sports right now) has to follow that process. Which means you have to transfer first, be eligible (incl. academically) and THEN you can apply. Gilbert will have to take his chances and transfer and be enrolled (with enough hours now, and in the future) to even apply for the waiver.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 9:48 am
Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:35 am to Keaux10
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Bottom line is, Ncaa needs to make them think twice before they transfer, make them sit out a year, like it used to be, its a bit hilarious these
I would agree with this if they treated coaches the same way. Have to sit out a year without pay if they leave a school for another school. As long as coaches can look for the bigger better deal, the players should be allowed to as well.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:47 am to the LSUSaint
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frick him. Hes part of the problem but chimes in to warn others of the problem.
Quitters quit
Why the hate for Mannie? No one was upset he was leaving. He wasn’t getting the PT. Just unfortunate timing.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:47 am to hove
Quitting is not seeing clear opportunity to better yourself and taking it after giving it all at the school you committed to and all parties agree that you aren't going to develop like you could elsewhere.
Many of these players quit and don’t have a better opportunity or see a better route that will help their chances going forward. They just leave the team to play anywhere. That’s not even close to the same scenario as Burrow or Fehoko. Fehoko was a starter. Burrow had the chance to start then got hurt. Both saw clear opportunity to better their future and both did so. It may not have turned out as successful as Fehoko would have liked but that was mostly on him for not getting into the best playing shape he could have been. Burrow obviously took complete advantage.
Both really didn’t want to leave but couldn’t help to see a better future. That is not what we talking about. That is not what is ruining sports and it won’t. Both situations are what the portal should be for. What it shouldn’t be for is players like our TE who just left because he’s homesick or because he didn’t like the style of offense or whatever. Lateral moves just because they’re unhappy.
Now if he was starting at Louisiana Tech, was only getting 3 passes a game, they ran the ball 75% of the time and he never scored a TD when he was promised that the offense would be built around him, then after a couple of years and a year to sit out, yea should transfer.
Many of these players quit and don’t have a better opportunity or see a better route that will help their chances going forward. They just leave the team to play anywhere. That’s not even close to the same scenario as Burrow or Fehoko. Fehoko was a starter. Burrow had the chance to start then got hurt. Both saw clear opportunity to better their future and both did so. It may not have turned out as successful as Fehoko would have liked but that was mostly on him for not getting into the best playing shape he could have been. Burrow obviously took complete advantage.
Both really didn’t want to leave but couldn’t help to see a better future. That is not what we talking about. That is not what is ruining sports and it won’t. Both situations are what the portal should be for. What it shouldn’t be for is players like our TE who just left because he’s homesick or because he didn’t like the style of offense or whatever. Lateral moves just because they’re unhappy.
Now if he was starting at Louisiana Tech, was only getting 3 passes a game, they ran the ball 75% of the time and he never scored a TD when he was promised that the offense would be built around him, then after a couple of years and a year to sit out, yea should transfer.
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