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Whole home 12-gauge wiring
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:11 am
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:11 am
If you were building a new house, would you consider using all 12-gauge wiring/20-amp breakers?
A quick search shows a 15-amp circuit breaker and 2-0amp circuit breaker by Siemens costs the same at $7.97.
250 ft. 12/2 Solid Romex NM-B Wire is $179.00 vs. 250 ft. 14/2 Romex NM-B Wire is $124.00.
Overkill, maybe? Cost, at least when it comes to these two items, appears to be minimal.
A quick search shows a 15-amp circuit breaker and 2-0amp circuit breaker by Siemens costs the same at $7.97.
250 ft. 12/2 Solid Romex NM-B Wire is $179.00 vs. 250 ft. 14/2 Romex NM-B Wire is $124.00.
Overkill, maybe? Cost, at least when it comes to these two items, appears to be minimal.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:22 am to Will Cover
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If you were building a new house, would you consider using all 12-gauge wiring/20-amp breakers?
No.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:25 am to Will Cover
I dont think I would. Just certain places like the kitchen (toasters) and bathroom (hair driers).
We dont have much of anything else inside the house that is a heavy consumer.
We dont have much of anything else inside the house that is a heavy consumer.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:39 am to Will Cover
Are you planning to run 12 ga for your light circuits too? You’ll be connecting a tiny stranded wire to 2 big fat solid ones inside an undersized LED fixture box. Your electrician will hate you.
This post was edited on 5/2/26 at 7:44 am
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:25 am to Will Cover
With little projects like this, you need to realize there is no ROI. No one is going to pay extra at re-sale. So you are doing it for yourself.
The problem is this is one very small detail, and you have 1,000 similar choices to make as a homeowner.
This may cost you only $1,000 more, but you have $1,000 to spend on 1,000 other upgrades also.
The problem is this is one very small detail, and you have 1,000 similar choices to make as a homeowner.
This may cost you only $1,000 more, but you have $1,000 to spend on 1,000 other upgrades also.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:43 am to Will Cover
all the renovation rewiring I’ve done over the past year has been 12/2. For the exterior/exposed wiring in my carport I used 12/2 MC cable to keep the squirrels from chewing on it.
I found the 12/2 easy to work with and not that much harder to terminate. You’ll work a little harder at the outlets and switches but once you get the hang of it it goes quick
And yes, 20A breakers…and more importantly J boxes with covers at all splits and fixtures
I found the 12/2 easy to work with and not that much harder to terminate. You’ll work a little harder at the outlets and switches but once you get the hang of it it goes quick
And yes, 20A breakers…and more importantly J boxes with covers at all splits and fixtures
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:51 am to Will Cover
I wouldn't but I'm soft and would rather mess with 14ga than 12 if I can. With LED lighting, 14 is more than sufficient. 14 is usually used in lighting circuits and 20 for all receptacles.
I have heard of electricians just using all 12. I think that is more for streamlining than anything though.
Your $7 standard breakers must be for somewhere without building code because code breakers are going to be afci/gfci and those are $50-$70 a pop. I'm not sure there is a single standard breaker allowed with current code.
I have heard of electricians just using all 12. I think that is more for streamlining than anything though.
Your $7 standard breakers must be for somewhere without building code because code breakers are going to be afci/gfci and those are $50-$70 a pop. I'm not sure there is a single standard breaker allowed with current code.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 10:26 am to Turnblad85
I noticed recently is that new 12 gauge and 14 gauge (armored or romex) was noticeably thinner than the older, even ones from about 10 years ago.
I recently did a lot of electrical work in my retail shop and a bath renovation at my mother's house.
I kept thinking I'd run the wrong wire when connecting the new ones and was also a little harder to cut them with the right gauge on the Klein tool.
Maybe they've improved the conductivity or just skimpy wire? Certainly much easier to work with the newer 12 gauge.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:46 pm to Will Cover
Im a pretty firm believer in overbuilding.
You can add more outlets and terminations to a 20a circuit. The circuit can still only handle the draw of the devices on it, but depending on the family, its unlikely you'll have a hair dryer and another hi draw device running at the same time.
Not sure if you saw my shop/guest house build thread but I went with 20a circuits on everything.
To the poster that mentioned gfci breakers, I dont think the breaker has to be gfci or arc fault unless ive missed something. Which is entirely possible.
You can add more outlets and terminations to a 20a circuit. The circuit can still only handle the draw of the devices on it, but depending on the family, its unlikely you'll have a hair dryer and another hi draw device running at the same time.
Not sure if you saw my shop/guest house build thread but I went with 20a circuits on everything.
To the poster that mentioned gfci breakers, I dont think the breaker has to be gfci or arc fault unless ive missed something. Which is entirely possible.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:57 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
with LED lights being mandatory, you could, I guess theoretically, put well over a 100 bulbs on a 14 ga 15 amp circuit. (depending on Wattage used of course)
Posted on 5/2/26 at 9:20 pm to T-Jon
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You’ll be connecting a tiny stranded wire to 2 big fat solid ones inside an undersized LED fixture box. Your electrician will hate you.
No he won't, won't give two shits as it's zero extra real effort. Can tell the types that don't do shite around there own homes in these threads
OP, definitely run 12AWG, definitely opt for extra outlet in the kitchen, bedrooms, garage, and exterior too.
This post was edited on 5/2/26 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 5/3/26 at 10:07 am to Clames
When I built my house, I used all 12 ga wiring. However, I did not hire an electrician and was doing this myself. So the primary reason was for bulk purchasing and commonality.
Definitely use 12 ga in all your receptacle circuits and anything with a potentially higher draw (HVLs, Fans, etc).
Lighting only really needs 14 ga, and it is much easier to work with. Terminating some of those 12 ga circuits with multiple branches can get tough. You can also start to approach box fill limits in certain scenarios.
It’s doable and not a major inconvenience one way or another, but it will cost extra for absolutely no real benefit.
Definitely use 12 ga in all your receptacle circuits and anything with a potentially higher draw (HVLs, Fans, etc).
Lighting only really needs 14 ga, and it is much easier to work with. Terminating some of those 12 ga circuits with multiple branches can get tough. You can also start to approach box fill limits in certain scenarios.
It’s doable and not a major inconvenience one way or another, but it will cost extra for absolutely no real benefit.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:37 am to Will Cover
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If you were building a new house, would you consider using all 12-gauge wiring/20-amp breakers?
This is the kind of thing I would consider when building a home. However, I can’t say that I wish my home had increased carrying capacity on the electrical system. As someone else says, that upgrade would not increase the value of your home one bit.
If it doesn’t increase the value of your home and it doesn’t add to the convenience or safety of your home, I wouldn’t do it.
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