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Starter tools for woodworking?

Posted on 7/16/20 at 10:32 am
Posted by OneAyedJack
Watson
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 10:32 am
For all the woodworkers out there:

1. Best starter table saw

2. Best router

3. Planer vs Jointer (which one do I need first)

I plan on starting small and building rough, farmhouse type furniture. First project will be a daybed for my daughter.

Plan on moving into doing some more fine woodworking on the regular as a hobby.

I'm open to all suggestions.

TIA
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79177 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:00 am to
quote:

1. Best starter table saw

2. Best router

3. Planer vs Jointer (which one do I need first)


Depends on what your goal is. A simple job site table saw would work, but if you have space invest in a good saw. Saw Stops are awesome and wish I had one. I have an older Bosch and it works perfectly still.

Don't need a router yet, but if you do, look into a plunge router and perhaps a palm router for flush trimming.

Planer for sure first, but if money isn't an option, get both
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:05 am to
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1. Best starter table saw


Ridgid. To start you can get a job site saw and then if you like it move to a bigger one. r4512 I think is the number.

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2. Best router


Ridgid or DeWalt

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3. Planer vs Jointer (which one do I need first)


Just starting out, I would wait until you get a little more experience before buying and then buy on the used marketplace.

Posted by southern686
Narnia
Member since Nov 2015
883 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:27 am to
I would put a miter saw ahead of
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Planer vs Jointer (which one do I need first)


All other recommendations for 1 & 2 I'd agree with.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15149 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:33 am to
As for table saws, get the best used one you can find. They are all over Craig's List, e-bay, local sales brochures. I'd prefer a stand alone (not portable) and a 10 inch one will fill your needs.

I have a few routers and use the Makita dual based one that comes with a fixed base and a plunge base. It is the quietest router I've ever owned and does a fine job.

The router I have in my router/shaper table is a 3 HP Porter-Cable and it is a beast. Of course it is best to buy carbide tipped bits with 1/2 in shanks for this type router.

You will find the cost of the router is cheap when compared to the cost of good bits. I have about $500 tied up in routers, but over $1500 in bits.

I prefer the jointer over the planer, but it is a close call. I like to glue up boards to make wide panels for doors and the jointer is the perfect too for this once set up true. I do have both and the planer is a great tool also for buying rough cut wood at larger dimensions and you can plane it down to whatever you want. You buy 1 x 6 rough cut and you can usually plane it down smooth to finish out larger than 3/4 inch thick.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1761 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:11 pm to
With a table saw and a good jig and proper in/out feed support, you can do without a jointer for awhile.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3796 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:15 pm to
quote:

For all the woodworkers out there:

1. Best starter table saw

2. Best router

3. Planer vs Jointer (which one do I need first)


1. My dad has a Delta table saw that is pretty good. Heavy, pretty quiet.

2. I’d suggest a router table. I picked up one from HD or Lowe’s. It works pretty well for what I use it for.

3. I’d suggest a planer. However, I’m not sure if you really need these over some other tools if you’re just beginning.

My favorite tool is my sliding compound miter saw.

You’ll need a bunch of clamps. Also a Kreg jig is very useful. If you want to do other joint types, you’ll have to look into other specialty cutters/saws.
Posted by bayou choupique
the banks of bayou choupique
Member since Oct 2014
1818 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:54 pm to
how much room are you going to have for these tools? As others mentioned a stationary table saw will allow you to cut larger pieces of wood with possibly more accuracy but they are typically big and and heavy. if space is an issue go the portable route; ridgid and dewalt are good ones.

a good miter saw is always very helpful.

a router and a router table will probably take the place of a jointer.

Kreg makes all sorts of usefull tools to help out.
Posted by Rossberg02
Member since Jun 2016
2591 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:59 pm to
Job site table to save money and space, but nothing from the cheaper box store brands. Get a good blade.

Router table and a router, plus a handheld battery router for quick little jobs.

Planer. You can get a straight edge with your table saw with some practicing. They also have plans on how to make a straight edge jig for a table saw.

If you’re in the BR area there’s a delta table saw for sale in Franklinton on craigslist
Posted by MLU
Member since Feb 2017
1677 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:06 pm to
You're just starting out, so find used stuff until you're sure this is something that's going to stick. It's not just the price, but often you can find the old tools that are built far more heavy duty than new tools are built.

Tools can make a difference, but I have made and seen good quality stuff made with cheap Harbor Frieght tools. Once you get the basics down solid and decide this is something that's a long term hobby for you, sell your used stuff and get good stuff. IMO, brand matters very little. Just avoid buying the cheapest (underpowered) stuff so you be future proof with your tools.

That being said, I really like the sturdiness of a cabinet table saw but the flexibility of the job site table saw. I bought a job site saw and then built a cabinet to set it in with leftover wood scraps.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 1:13 pm
Posted by ConstructionAg
Houston
Member since Jun 2020
12 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:40 pm to
Background:
I started woodworking about 12 years in a townhouse with no yard and a 2 car garage with one side used a shop and the other for parking, so space was very limited. We have since moved but still have a 2 car garage with 1 side being actively used to park in. Most of my woodworking has been of the built-in/cabinets variety with some more recent projects being construction toys for my boys. I use mostly cabinet/stain grade plywood and dimensional hard woods so the need for a planer/jointer for me has never really been there and I still don't own those tools.

Table Saw:
I started with a Dewalt contractor/jobsite saw about 12 years ago and still have it today. It does the job. Part of me wishes I would have splurged on the first table saw purchase but I didn't. I would say my biggest challenge is space, as mentioned so regardless of table saws, I do not have room for infeed/outfeed tables. As someone who rips a lot of full sheets of plywood for cabinets and being a one man show, it is not very easy or safe to do on a table saw. With that said, I bought a Festool track saw several years and while a little slower and expensive (especially with long tracks, parallel guides, etc.) it has solved many of my problems with accurate, repeatable rip cuts done in a safe manner and in a small area. I use my table saw mostly for rabbiting/dadoing.

Routers:
I've also had a Porter Cable router for 12 years and it has been great. It came with a fixed and plunge base and definitely recommend both. I also bought a router table pretty early on but the table remains probably one of the things I use the least. It's been handy a few times but feel it's mostly only beneficial if using a router bit with a guide bearing.

Other:
Compound miter saws are very handy as well and was probably my next big purchase when I started out, after the table saw and router.

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Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3265 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:39 pm to
quote:

I use mostly cabinet/stain grade plywood and dimensional hard woods so the need for a planer/jointer for me has never really been there and I still don't own those tools.


A planer will pay for itself quickly by letting you buy rough lumber. Much cheaper.
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3265 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:47 pm to
I’m doing more hand tool work now, but Hitachi used to make a good, relatively inexpensive 3-hp plunge router.

Planer - you can save a lot of money on hardwood lumber if you plane it yourself. Dewalt makes good portable planers.

Jointer - buy a hand plane jointer, or just a jack plane, and learn to use it. This can handle your jointing duties.

Build a good workbench. Look up Nicholson bench and build from yellow pine. Cheap and sturdy.

Track saw for plywood.

Any table saw with a good fence. The fence is the most important part.
Posted by the mighty weez
Member since Nov 2018
73 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:52 pm to
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MLU

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Tools can make a difference, but I have made and seen good quality stuff made with cheap Harbor Frieght tools. Once you get the basics down solid and decide this is something that's a long term hobby for you, sell your used stuff and get good stuff. IMO, brand matters very little.

I think along these lines as well.
I'm a firm believer that skills, experience, and a little flexibility are much more important factors in the end results of your work than any particular tool. I have a garage workshop full of middle-shelf tools and 30+ year old hand-me-downs, but I've used them enough to know their strengths and weaknesses, or little quirks, and can get good, clean results by adjusting my technique to the tool in hand. And I didn't have to part with a small fortune to get into woodworking.
My neighbor has a garage full of yellow tools and would probably struggle to build his kid a birdhouse.
If you decide to stick with it, you will figure out quickly which tools will become your go-to's, and you can upgrade those as you go.

quote:

1. Best starter table saw

A jobsite with a stand is all you need.

quote:

2. Best router

I have the Bosch kit with the fixed and plunge bases and I love it. I mount it in my workbench with a removable insert/baseplate when I need it, rather than having a separate router table. This is handy for routing longer pieces.

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3. Planer vs Jointer (which one do I need first)

For "rough, farmhouse type furniture", neither. I'd go with a miter saw before either of these.
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
10944 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:05 pm to
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I'm open to all suggestions.
how large an area are we talking about?
Posted by OneAyedJack
Watson
Member since Sep 2019
219 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 5:00 pm to
quote:

how large an area are we talking about?


750 square feet.

Posted by OneAyedJack
Watson
Member since Sep 2019
219 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 5:05 pm to
Thanks for all of the info guys!

FYI, I do already have a 12" compound miter saw. Figured I'd let everyone know because I've seen it mentioned a bunch.

The only thing I've done with it so far was build an old reclaimed pallet wood wall in my shop. Came out real nice. I plan on using the same type of wood to build window stools and aprons in my "man cave."

I'd like a router with a roundover bit to smooth out the edges.

Was thinking of getting the Ryobi palm router for this since it's for a small job and I already have a ton of other Ryobi cordless tools.

I figure I'll run into more uses for a palm router in the future....
Posted by Glock17
Member since Oct 2007
22389 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 5:34 pm to
If you’re not in a big hurry, keep your eye on this Kobalt at Lowe’s. I caught it on sale a few years ago, and I want to say I paid around 200 for it

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Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
54297 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 5:51 pm to
I would take ~$500 and buy the best table saw I could find on Craigslist.

I would buy a trim router and a router that would work in a table or plunge. At least a 2 1/2 horse w/ 1/4" and 1/2" collet.

Either buy or build a router table.

I would try to find a used Dewalt DW735 planer, but I wouldn't balk at buying one new. It is the best planer for the money, and nothing compares.
Buy all replacement cutter knives from mywoodcutters.com. they are top notch and have everything.

You can eventually upgrade the DW735 to a Byrd Shelix Cutter Head, and have a top notch planer, but I have been running the hell out of mine with regular knives for 8 years or longer.

You can make a jig, and I have made one, to joint ok on the table saw. Or, you can build a jig that turns your planer into a jointer. They work nearly as good as my jointer, and I use it for really warped boards.

A 6" jointer is handy when tuned properly, but not a must.

Build yourself a crosscut sled for the table saw, and you won't have to buy a miter saw right away.

Look into a good, used 14" bandsaw. They make life easier for alot or projects. Upgrade it to bearing guides, not the Carter ones necessarily, generic work just fine and I have them on my saw. I resaw on an 80's import Delta clone.

Study up on tuning everything and you can capitalize on great deals on the secondary market. The only "big" tools I have that were bought new are my miter saw and my planer. The miter is a Dewalt 10" compound miter with the extension arms and I built a custom table/shroud for dust collection.

At least buy the Harbor Freight dust collector. With some work, it can be upgraded to a canister filter.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 6:09 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
54297 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 6:15 pm to
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Was thinking of getting the Ryobi palm router for this since it's for a small job and I already have a ton of other Ryobi cordless tools.

I've always felt safer doing anything with a router when it is in the table. Out of everything in the shop, the router scares me the most.

I bought the big harbor freight router bit set years ago, and still use the bits often. So, it is a steal! Save the big money for specialty bits where quality matters a whole lot more. Same goes with HF's forstner bit set. I love them.

If cordless, look into the Dewalt line. I haven't heard anything too negative about their battery stuff. However, you will almost always have electricity. Your battery can and will die when you need it the most.
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