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re: Starter tools for woodworking?
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:00 pm to ChEgrad
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:00 pm to ChEgrad
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Jointer - buy a hand plane jointer, or just a jack plane, and learn to use it. This can handle your jointing duties.
I had an old Craftsman 4" jointer from the late 50's that I got in a bunch of stuff I bought. It had always befuddled me because it didn't work for shite. After it sat in the corner of the shop for 5 or 6 years, I decided to have a go at reworking it. I ordered brand new knives, and found a good tune up video. It took me a few hours of fiddling with it, but I got it running perfectly. I liked it so much that a while later I bought its 6" big brother and did the same thing.
A well-tuned jointer will help save your planer alot of wear and tear. Joint one face flat and put it down on the planer. It runs so much smoother. Joint one edge, and take it to the table saw.
I use a hand plane on smaller stuff, or when I want a bit of a workout. That is mainly because I enjoy restoring old planes. Hell, to stay in practice, I just pick up a scrap piece of wood, put it in the vise, and start making shavings. Using a hand plane takes practice, but it is fun. That is, if you have the time.
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:39 pm to OneAyedJack
I went through my own *getting into woodworking* phase about 5 years ago. I started in almost exactly the same place where you are right now. I didn't have anything really but I wanted to build a bed for my son. I had very little space at the time.
My Original Purchases were:
1/ Bosch job site table saw with gravity base ($500-ish)
2/ Dewalt 735 Planer with base table and outfield tables ($700?)
3/ Porter Cable 693 plunge router ($350?)
4/ Festool Domino XL ($1250). It makes doing quality joinery a reality. I wanted to make a bed that I was proud of and that would last. Was totally with it.
5/ Festool knockdown hardware kit ($400) Build beds that can be knocked down/taken apart for transport or storage. Awesome.
Anyway, I made the bed for my son and it was awesome. It came out so well that someone will be sleeping in that bed in 200 years. It was awesome to be able to create a REAL piece of furniture, not something that will only last 20 years. It really is a forever bed.
Unfortunately, the results were so good it lit a fire in me lol. Since then I built a heated and cooled 1100 SF shop with 10' ceilings, heated floors, and AC ($ a lot), bought a Felder/Hammer sliding table saw combination machine with shaper, jointer, planer, saw ($13k), got an 18" Laguna Bandsaw ($2k), got a full shop dust collector from Clearview and 6" piping ($3.5k), and bought just about every tool Festool makes ($a shite-ton). But to be clear, I made that first bed with less than a $3500 investment. It can be done but making anything with that kind of kit takes 5x longer to complete competently. If you just want to get into it and see if you like it (which I totally recommend) then you can make really good stuff.
The good news after all of the expense is that anything I make now will be around for a really long time. I got started because I wanted to make things that my great grandchildren would sleep on / use and I have made so many things that both make me proud and I know will be around for a really long time that I feel like it is totally worth it. They will be antiques in 200 years with other people enjoying them. I love that.
So, if my budget limited me to ONE TOOL that would make creating real furniture accessible (and I had a tablesaw already) it would definitely be the Festool Domino. Being able to do quality joinery is everything to making things that you are proud of making.
Anyway, be careful lol. Your $2k idea can turn into a $200k obsession. For me, making things that can be passed down and used for many generations is worth every penny. I don't even care about the costs anymore but am also now done in needing anything; I can make literally anything to a really high standard and I love it. My tools work for me. It is so gratifying. Good luck. Making furniture is such a gratifying experience.
My Original Purchases were:
1/ Bosch job site table saw with gravity base ($500-ish)
2/ Dewalt 735 Planer with base table and outfield tables ($700?)
3/ Porter Cable 693 plunge router ($350?)
4/ Festool Domino XL ($1250). It makes doing quality joinery a reality. I wanted to make a bed that I was proud of and that would last. Was totally with it.
5/ Festool knockdown hardware kit ($400) Build beds that can be knocked down/taken apart for transport or storage. Awesome.
Anyway, I made the bed for my son and it was awesome. It came out so well that someone will be sleeping in that bed in 200 years. It was awesome to be able to create a REAL piece of furniture, not something that will only last 20 years. It really is a forever bed.
Unfortunately, the results were so good it lit a fire in me lol. Since then I built a heated and cooled 1100 SF shop with 10' ceilings, heated floors, and AC ($ a lot), bought a Felder/Hammer sliding table saw combination machine with shaper, jointer, planer, saw ($13k), got an 18" Laguna Bandsaw ($2k), got a full shop dust collector from Clearview and 6" piping ($3.5k), and bought just about every tool Festool makes ($a shite-ton). But to be clear, I made that first bed with less than a $3500 investment. It can be done but making anything with that kind of kit takes 5x longer to complete competently. If you just want to get into it and see if you like it (which I totally recommend) then you can make really good stuff.
The good news after all of the expense is that anything I make now will be around for a really long time. I got started because I wanted to make things that my great grandchildren would sleep on / use and I have made so many things that both make me proud and I know will be around for a really long time that I feel like it is totally worth it. They will be antiques in 200 years with other people enjoying them. I love that.
So, if my budget limited me to ONE TOOL that would make creating real furniture accessible (and I had a tablesaw already) it would definitely be the Festool Domino. Being able to do quality joinery is everything to making things that you are proud of making.
Anyway, be careful lol. Your $2k idea can turn into a $200k obsession. For me, making things that can be passed down and used for many generations is worth every penny. I don't even care about the costs anymore but am also now done in needing anything; I can make literally anything to a really high standard and I love it. My tools work for me. It is so gratifying. Good luck. Making furniture is such a gratifying experience.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 7/16/20 at 9:18 pm to the mighty weez
quote:I disagree. A good table saw can do most all cuts.
jobsite with a stand is all you need.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 8:36 am to stickly
You have my utmost respect. Honest question, though. Is knockdown hardware going to last 200 years?
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:27 am to turkish
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Is knockdown hardware going to last 200 years?
I think it will. It is a really strong system that uses floating tenons and steel hardware to draw everything together. It is really well done.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 9:56 am to CarRamrod
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A good table saw can do most all cuts.
I agree with this theory. All I'm saying is, for a beginner that may be under space and/or budgetary constraints, a higher end cabinet saw isn't a necessity. I have the Kobalt jobsite because I work in my garage and it fit in my space. I spent some time getting it set up true, and I built a crosscut sled and jigs for straight edges, tapering, tenons, miters and scarf joints. Sure, some things would be easier on a saw with a bigger table, or a better fence, but so far I've found ways to do everything I've needed to do. It just might take a little more time and patience.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 5:51 pm to OneAyedJack
My recommendation would be to look for used tools. Keep an eye out for an old Rockwell/delta tablesaw with an accufence. As far as routers go, I like Bosch or porter cable and get a fixed and plunge base, then build a versatile router table. 2-2.25 hp routers are really a good starting point. Invest time in building good jigs. If budget isn’t a hindrance, festool makes great equipment (routers, plunge/track saw, domino, etc.....).
As far as planers and jointers, look used. I have a 16” jointer, but starting out, I’d go with an 8” with a long bed. But definitely look for used, there are a lot of auctions out there.
Things I would recommend to start out with would be a tablesaw, router combo (plunge and fixed), jigsaw (Bosch or festool), miter saw (dewalt or Bosch), and lots of time building jigs to maximize the use of a few tools (tablesaw sled, router table, etc....). Also good sanders, I’m really partial to Bosch 6” or festool 6” ROS. Clamps, clamps, clamps. Plenty of f style and parallel or bar clamps.
As far as planers and jointers, look used. I have a 16” jointer, but starting out, I’d go with an 8” with a long bed. But definitely look for used, there are a lot of auctions out there.
Things I would recommend to start out with would be a tablesaw, router combo (plunge and fixed), jigsaw (Bosch or festool), miter saw (dewalt or Bosch), and lots of time building jigs to maximize the use of a few tools (tablesaw sled, router table, etc....). Also good sanders, I’m really partial to Bosch 6” or festool 6” ROS. Clamps, clamps, clamps. Plenty of f style and parallel or bar clamps.
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