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Loose ceramic tiles after this week’s freeze

Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:40 pm
Posted by selfgen
youngsville
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:40 pm
My house is on a concrete slab. This week, I noticed two or 3 ceramic tiles in the hallway are loose all of a sudden. All the faucets and toilets are working as usual. I don’t hear any sounds of water leakage when I put my ear to the floor. When I look at my water meter, it doesn’t show any unusual output. I’ve turned the main water line off tonight , just to be safe and I’ll be trying to get a hold of a plumber tomorrow.
Does anyone know if this certainly indicates a busted pipe under the house or can a change in weather cause tiles to do this? I’m wondering if this will be a major plumbing job or just me having to replace some ceramic tile.
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
9894 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:16 am to
Is there water anywhere or do you notice and damp areas anywhere? How old of a house? Could just be the sudden change in temperature, could have made the grout give. These crazy temps do make some things go crazy especially down south if that’s where you are from.
Posted by selfgen
youngsville
Member since Aug 2006
1040 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:25 am to
No signs of water anywhere. The house is almost 40 years old. And The ceramic tile was laid about 15 years ago. And yes, I’m in southern LA. I hope you’re right!
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 12:27 am
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:38 am to
Same thing happened in my house. Tile floor totally crapped out after I let it get really cold in the house (it was 38 degrees in here). It's all loose, some of it buckled, grout got under the tiles and some cracked. Idk what the hell happened. I know for 100% sure there's no water lines or anything in the slab or under it in the room mine exploded in.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 7:40 am
Posted by Daygo85
Member since Aug 2008
3065 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:49 am to
Same thing happened to me a few years back. No water lines in that area and there have been no repercussions since.

See from Google:

Can cold weather cause tile to crack?
As the ground freezes and thaws, moisture levels change, which causes subfloors and tiles to expand, contract and, in some cases, even crack. However, with the proper installation materials, you can have your tiles withstand this onslaught for much longer with little to no trouble.
Posted by jpainter6174
Boss city
Member since Feb 2014
5281 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:54 am to
You can turn the water on with all the outputs (faucet, etc) closed and see if the water meter has moved after 30 mins or so. If it is you probably have a leak or running toilet, if not as other have stated its probably just the grout.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9780 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:46 am to
I wouldn't worry about a busted pipe.

A floor guy can fix your loose tiles. Tap on the floor with a broom handle and you can hear which ones are loose.

Ask the flooring guy to put a membrane under those he replaces. It will allow some movement without popping loose again.
Posted by selfgen
youngsville
Member since Aug 2006
1040 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:20 am to
Thanks for all the replies. There’s no indication at all of busted pipe or water leak, so I’m thankful for that!
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
34202 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:37 am to
Yea that is really just an indication that cheap thin set was used when laying the floors. It's not uncommon. Glad you didn'thave a busted pipe.

A lot of flooring guys install with a thin set called CustomBlend, it's a very cheap product. A lot of times it works perfectly fine and you never have any issues, but it doesn't hold up as well in extreme temperatures and doesn't set properly when laid at a temp that is too cold or too hot. Buying a product called VersaBond (same company, just $7 more a bag), gives you a much better bond and if installed properly, won't ever have an issue like this.

Just something to know in case you ever install new floors in the future. Let your flooring guy know that is what you want used. Will usually only run you about $0.25 a square foot more, but more than worth it.
Posted by selfgen
youngsville
Member since Aug 2006
1040 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:45 am to
didn’t mean to downvote your reply. It’s my fat fingers that are the problem.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45799 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:14 pm to
Possible tenting of the flooring due to the cold shrinking of the slab and no expansion joints around the perimeter of the room.
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5311 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:41 pm to
The tiles can pop and delaminate from the concrete in times of cold. The temp causes enough expansion in the slab that the mortar just pops free. It's often a loud/violent sound when it occurs.
Posted by FishinTygah84
LA
Member since Dec 2013
1976 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

The tiles can pop and delaminate from the concrete in times of cold. The temp causes enough expansion in the slab that the mortar just pops free. It's often a loud/violent sound when it occurs.


Its CRAZY this is a topic and that you mentioned this. Just last night, the wife and i were watching tv and i heard something in the master bathroom. Didn't think anything of it. Then heard it 2 more times. Like a firecracker. I finally went back there and just stood, hoping it would happen again. It did, and i could tell it was tile popping, but it sounded like it was under the bathroom cabinet. Guess it's not a big deal since it's out of sight?
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
7543 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:33 pm to
The drought has also led to excessive settlement in lots of homes.

My 20 year old house (slab on grade, no Post Tension) has a few tape joint cracks in the garage ceiling that are new and also one hollow, loose ceramic tile in the kitchen, all new just this year.

Posted by LSUDad
Still on the move
Member since May 2004
58678 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

It did, and i could tell it was tile popping, but it sounded like it was under the bathroom cabinet. Guess it's not a big deal since it's out of sight?


Usually tile is installed after cabinets. You use less tile that way. Easier to do.
Posted by BMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
16257 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

Yea that is really just an indication that cheap thin set was used when laying the floors. It's not uncommon.


This. Happened 3 times at my house over the last 7 years, all during or shortly after extreme cold snaps. Finally pulled up all the tile last summer and put down LVP. Should have done it a long time ago.
Posted by KemoSabe65
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Member since Mar 2018
5121 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 2:58 pm to
But why????
Posted by 9rocket
Member since Sep 2020
1201 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:30 pm to
quote:

Usually tile is installed after cabinets


Two schools of thought on this.
I prefer the other way. Tile first, then cabinets. You use a few more tiles ( cheap), but you have a lot less labor involved ( not cheap).
Plus you get a cleaner look, shoe molding is now optional.
Posted by 9rocket
Member since Sep 2020
1201 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:35 pm to
The extreme cold caused your issues, due to any number of contributors.
Expansion and contraction issues are magnified in such temperatures.
Cheap thin set as mentioned previously,
Poor coverage on floor and/or tile backs,
Allowing the thin set to “skin over” while setting,
Thin set too dry,
Not embedding the tile into the thin set and merely placing it on top,
And on and on.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20401 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:15 pm to
Eh, I'm not a contractor but I've laid enough tile. If a bunch of tiles popped you could blame the thinset. This was likely just a couple of tiles that had poor adhesion due to sloppy tile job. It happens, not everyone is perfect and it doesn't mean your tile guy sucks.

There's no perfect flooring option.

If your tile actually did pop up it should be loose and its fairly easy to lay it back down. Matching the grout is the most difficult part.

1.) Remove popped tile
2.) Find 5-10 random extra tiles everyone has somewhere in the garage or attic leftover
3.) Use hammer drill or hand chisel to remove thinset from flooring
4.) Re set tile

One or two random popped tiles is a hell of a lot easier to fix than many issues with other types of flooring.
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