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If you were (or are) building a house today, would you run COAX or speaker wire?

Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:09 pm
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
39483 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:09 pm
I ask, because a SONOS type system essentially makes it pointless to run speaker wire inside for surround sound, or does it?

And since everything is streamed these days, is COAX even necessary?

One could certainly make the argument to run Cat 6 / Cat 6e, right?
Posted by papasmurf1269
Hells Pass
Member since Apr 2005
21223 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:14 pm to
No coax and maybe 1 phone line so if you decide you want a home phone you have it there and the rest would be cat six
Posted by guedeaux
Member since Jan 2008
13723 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:30 pm to
No COAX.

If you have areas where you want good surround sound, definitely run speaker wire and build nooks/locations for subs.

Run Cat6 all over that thing. multiple drops per room.
Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
2572 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 10:01 pm to
10 gbps capable cat for wireless mesh backhaul. Catxx for Poe cameras. I’d also build in areas for said access points and small things like DVR or SmartThings hub.
Sonos is a great idea but the app is awful. No point even giving opinion on audio because everyone likes something different.
Coax only from service area to IT area. MoCA(from fiber) may disappear soon due to 5+ Gbps being pretty standard but maybe fiber service gets sold to trash company and you need to go back to coax for awhile. It happened to half of DFW several years ago.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 10:12 pm
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21468 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 4:44 am to
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10 gbps capable cat for wireless mesh backhaul. Catxx for Poe cameras.


Do this if anything. Will be more versatile, get it tied back easily to an accessible power supply.
Posted by AyyyBaw
Member since Jan 2020
1175 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 4:46 am to
We ran coax and cat 6 and I would do it again. Coax is cheap to run. You have local channels if internet goes down. We honestly use it frequently. They are all linked to a splitter on an attic mount antenna. It also carries great picture quality for sports on local channels.
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
Location: Classified
Member since Nov 2011
35475 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 8:21 am to
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Coax is cheap to run. You have local channels if internet goes down.


This, put up an antenna in your attic.
Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
2572 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 8:36 am to
Just to add. It looks like cat7 may or may not be better than cat8 for runs over 150ft, kinda like cat5e outperformed cat6 for long 1gbps runs. Either should be fine for 15-20 years but I’d go cat8 for any run under that length which should be all of them for a house under 10k sqft. Cat6 is already outdated for latest home fiber and wifi7 as it can just barely keep up even over short distances.
Posted by BlackPot
Member since Oct 2016
2381 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 9:36 am to
I ran coax and it's a waste. Never use it. For that matter I ran ethernet and never use that. Everything is wireless. Something I should have done as an IT guy for a career is planning a better wireless solution.
Posted by ApisMellifera
SWLA
Member since Apr 2023
581 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 9:38 am to
Yes to both, but I'd pair the coax with Cat6 everywhere. Plenty of people have satellite. It is cheap enough to run so might as well just do it. After my house was built, the internet provider dragged their feet so long that I ended up getting satellite. I definitely could never have foreseen that.

I ran speaker wire before my sheetrock went in and am very thankful I did. I have surround sound in the living room and an additional zone on the back patio. I didn't have to worry about where outlets where to plug in wireless speakers which allowed me to put the speakers exactly where I wanted.

My 2nd biggest regret in building my house (behind not putting in a propane tank and running gas lines) was not running conduit in the wall from my attic to my entertainment center. At this point I have filled up the small holes I drilled so much that it is a PITA to run anything else. I'd love the freedom to run Cat6 everywhere like I want.
Posted by bengalman
In da Country
Member since Feb 2007
3811 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 11:20 am to
quote:

We ran coax and cat 6 and I would do it again. Coax is cheap to run. You have local channels if internet goes down. We honestly use it frequently. They are all linked to a splitter on an attic mount antenna. It also carries great picture quality for sports on local channels



Did the same thing because we use locals all the time especially outside when the games are on locally. The picture quality is awesome as well.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86925 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:49 pm to
nobody needs ugly-arse 1990s COAX in 2025.

literally zero purpose for that other than one drop from a rooftop antenna if you are lucky enough to get HD signals in your area. first thing i did when we moved into our 'fixer upper' was to rip every single coax cable from the outside and inside and drywall over the wall outlets.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 12:54 pm
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86925 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

They are all linked to a splitter on an attic mount antenna. It also carries great picture quality for sports on local channels



Did the same thing because we use locals all the time especially outside when the games are on locally. The picture quality is awesome as well.


you know you can just run a coax line from the antenna to a cheap HD-homerun tuner box (they sell 2 and 4 tuner versions) and then ethernet from that to your router and you can watch local TV on virtually any Roku, phone, etc. you own wirelessly right?

there's zero reason to fish coax into individual rooms. not only is the hd-homerun a WAY better ATSC tuner than the random 'get what you get' with various HDTV sets, but being able to manage multiple tuners makes it "THE" device to have...and bonus if you happen to run a plex server, it will simply recognize there's an HD-homerun and pull full program guides and you can do full DVR recordings, not to mention being able to watch all your local TV channels in China, if you happen to be away.

tl;dr if you're going to run an antenna for locals, you're insane not to also pick up a HD-homerun box at the same time.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 12:57 pm
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
14617 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 1:20 pm to
i can get local channels with over the air antenna

i run coax
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
10175 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

maybe 1 phone line


Cat 5 is just four pairs of “phone” wire. You also realize that AT&T is scheduled to eliminate POTS lines in the US by 2029, and anyone you manage to get service from will be far more expensive than you expect, right?
Posted by bengalman
In da Country
Member since Feb 2007
3811 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

tl;dr if you're going to run an antenna for locals, you're insane not to also pick up a HD-homerun box at the same time.



Definitely! I am on my second HD homerun after my first one shite the bed after ~5 years. All of my Coax and Network (Cat 6) go into my "server closet" where I have my Qnap running plex along with the HD so I can manage which tvs get the direct feed from my antenna and the others in the house use the plex locals. I love having locals when I travel as well.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86925 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 4:59 pm to
this is the way
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
38239 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 6:13 pm to
quote:

quote:

Coax is cheap to run. You have local channels if internet goes down
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This, put up an antenna in your attic.



Yup
Posted by ellunchboxo
Gtown
Member since Feb 2009
19122 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:57 pm to
None.

WiFi has gotten really good.
Posted by baseballmind1212
Missouri City
Member since Feb 2011
3346 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 8:53 pm to
Rundown cat 6 EVERYWHERE.

150$ gets you 1000 feet of cat 6.

1 drop at every oitsid corner of the soffit, 2 drops at each tv (1 for tv, 1 for gaming system, apple tv/ps5 whatever).

Speaker wire for 5.1 in main media/living room, 1 speaker in each entertaining space (patio, kitchen, whatever).

Wire is so cheap and running it is so easy pre-drywall. It's worth it.

Bonus points if you install smurf tube at main tv location back to data closet/demarc.
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