re: The Ketogenic Diet 2019 and FREE Keto Coaching by OleWarSkuleAlum

He a supplement industry shill, has terrible form to the point be required surgery while trying to tell others how to lift, and lastly he’s a fake natty. Him and Blaha are two peas in a pod.

Let’s keep this on Keto...

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Keto is a fine way to diet. There are plenty of reasons to do it. You don't need to make shite up and act like it's magical for it to be effective or attractive to people.

What you have in your original post is great information. I simply want people to understand that you will gain weight if you eat too much. You can store fat without spiking insulin.

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Besides Layne Norton’s anecdotal book show me how fat storage is signaled in the body outside of insulin. Show me that and we will progress from there.

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Besides Layne Norton’s anecdotal book show me how fat storage is signaled in the body outside of insulin. Show me that and we will progress from there.

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Anecdotal.. The first chapter alone has 42 study citations.




From D'agostino:


Fats are typically consumed (and stored in adipose) in triglyceride form, which contains a glycerol backbone and three fatty acid chains. The length of the fatty acid chains matter in how they’re metabolized in the body, both in general and in terms of ketogenesis. For example, when long-chain triglycerides (LCT) are ingested, they’re packaged into chylomicrons, which enter our lymphatic system and are delivered to adipose tissue. Whereas medium-chain triglycerides (MCT) bypass this process and are delivered directly to the liver through hepatic portal circulation. MCTs can be rapidly converted to ketone bodies in the liver (under ketogenic conditions), and can be used directly for energy (even by the brain). In terms of glucose response, once liberated from triglycerides, free fatty acids cannot be converted to glucose. The glycerol backbone, however, can be. When keto-adapted, this is the body’s primary source of glucose for cell types that cannot metabolize fat or ketones, but this conversion will have no noticeable effect on insulin.


Here's a nice picture I found on the internet:


Your body's constantly storing and liberating fat from adipose tissue when you're in ketosis. The dietary fat gets broken down. These smaller particles cross into the blood stream, but as they are crossing our intenstines they get wrapped up and packaged as chylomicrons. In the blood stream, lipoprotein lipase strips the triglycerides out of the chlymicron, which then empty goes to the liver to be recycled. The free fatty acids that are removed then get stored as fat or get oxidized for fuel.

Your fat cells contain an enzyme called hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL), which helps break down body fat into fatty acids to be burned. Insulin suppresses the activity of HSL, and thus is believed to further promote weight gain.

Dietary fat also suppresses HSL, and thanks to an enzyme called acylation stimulating protein (ASP), your body doesn’t need high levels of insulin to store dietary fat as body fat.


I suggest reading this review which contains a lot of citations. In particular -

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We have examined direct ASP production in human subcutaneous adipose tissue LINK ][42], LINK ][43]. In control subjects, while ASP in the general circulation remained relatively stable, ASP efflux from an abdominal subcutaneous adipose tissue site increased postprandially from 3 to 5 h, over the same time period when chylomicron triglyceride clearance and fatty acid flux into adipose tissue were maximal LINK ][43].

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Dude GTFO with the fake Natty bullshite. He was willing to go to court to prove it, has passed quite a few test for tested federations.


As far as his form...you do realize he was elite in squats and deadlifts right? Most that make it elite in those catagories especially as naturals end up with problems because it requires tons of frequency and volume to get the numbers up that high.

Shill, why because he owned a supplement company? GTFO.

You are saying that shite because you can't defend your position.

And the last post by hulk that is a direct citation of one of your own proves that.

Fact....fat is the easiest macro to store as body fat. That is a fricking fact and has been proven tons of times. when I eat more calories the. I burn, no matter the diet, those calories have to be stored somewhere. Body is gonna take the easy route and when I have excess fat calories it's going to store those as fat.



You could have kept this on topic and simply said your belief was that without insulin you can store fat, but you had to call others liars.

I love keto and am using it right now, hell hulk lost like 75lbs using it. So it's not like we are just anti keto, we are just anti bullshite

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Olewarskull can you tell us more on your opinion on how to use targeted keto or cyclic keto to help with performance and muscle gain? I am asking honestly.

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I haven’t personally done a TKD and don’t necessarily recommend a TKD unless you are extremely fat adapted and have a very low BF%. I know you’re a fan of the periworkout window.

A CKD is a technique I’ve tried out. When someone gets into the 18% BF and below (from DXA) and is an athlete or power lifter who’s run strict Keto for 6+ months. I would recommend a carb loading day. Key word is day once a month to start and developing to twice a month once you’ve run the once a month for 3 months. I would recommend oatmeal and sweet potatoes to start 100g working up as necessary each month listening to your body and performance results.

I’ve noticed whether I eat 100g or 400g my glycogen stores seems to deplete at close to the same time and regardless I’m back into ketosis in 72hrs.

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I triggered Hulk because I used the word “spiked.” Spiked was meant as a dysphemism for a rise in insulin no matter how minute.

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With moving lower in carbohydrate intake, one needs to be aware of adapting to it. Not only with digestion but electrolytes as well. I know I can cramp going lower carb, or after adapting, going higher.

For performance, there are a couple of studies out there showing that after adapting performance doesn’t decrease. Here is one on the “higher” end of carb intake at 50g a day ~10% of total intake. I am hopeful of one to come out with trace carb intake in the next few yrs.

Bought my ingredients for the juice. Wife wants to do low carb so I’ll do keto for a month for sure.

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Bought my ingredients for the juice. Wife wants to do low carb so I’ll do keto for a month for sure.

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as you progress along and have questions feel free to ask!