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re: The Gamechanger Vegan Propaganda Piece Dismantled - Rogan - Kresser ep
Posted on 11/26/19 at 6:33 pm to lsu777
Posted on 11/26/19 at 6:33 pm to lsu777
Weight loss is definitely going to be the largest impact to health, but once one is at a healthy weight and wants to optimize things, a diverse and plentiful veggie intake is pretty important.
I think we are more or less in agreement, I am just a bit more hesitant to tell anyone that veggies aren't that important because they provide a myriad of benefits. Of course if dealing with someone that does not eat veggies then you deal with it and find other ways to get them their micros
I think we are more or less in agreement, I am just a bit more hesitant to tell anyone that veggies aren't that important because they provide a myriad of benefits. Of course if dealing with someone that does not eat veggies then you deal with it and find other ways to get them their micros
This post was edited on 11/26/19 at 6:36 pm
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Posted on 11/26/19 at 10:32 pm to Hulkklogan
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Fiber is extremely beneficial for us and veggies are high in fiber/calorie ratio.
Then why is it when we remove fiber we find a decrease in constipation? Cholesterol may be lowered with increase in fiber, but why would I want to lower it? High cholesterol (in context) is protective. Denis Burkitt's research was misunderstood by even him.
Jesus, it isn't essential, it isn't necessary and you will thrive, not survive...get it out your head that this is some sort of survival diet, it absolutely isn't - this is a "I don't give a shite about plants and salivate at every steak when hungry" way to eat. People don't get miserable eating only meat, they fricking love and embrace it. They don't think "man, I'm so restricted" they think, "The next piece of meat I see I will destroy." The way any other predator goes about gorging on a kill.
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Let's define this so we can have a non-vague discussion. Is this an implication that by eating more nutrient-dense foods (including fruits fibrous & vegetables) and adding exercise they're unwittingly in a caloric deficit and that's where most of their health marker improvements come from? Because we're in agreement there. That doesn't mean there are no benefits to eating vegetables.
Fruits aren't nutrient-dense foods, they are sugar laden. The glucose rise from fruit is not beneficial, The anti-oxidants from them are due to them creating the oxidants themselves, (see green tea extract study posted several times here). The fiber in modern fruit isn't enough to offset the glucose in nearly all of them. Vegetables can get lost because the bioavailability of said nutrients sucks and the nutrients are not as available to humans as they are trapped inside the cellulose. We just cannot break cellulose down. The only benefit to a veggie is we aren't eating shittier foods.
Are there worst things to eat? Sure. Should vegetables be put on some high and mighty alter of the food pyramid? frick no as the science on it sucks. This is coming from a guy who just ate asparagus, leaks, and 18oz steak for dinner. Did I let the veggie get in the way of my meat? No - I ate the meat first. Do I live with a woman? Yes, hence the vegetable I amused her with.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:25 am to Junky
What a lot of people do not understand is that your body just does things differently depending on what kind of food you eat. You need different things based off what you are eating since there are balances in the body.
It is safe to say that the more processing a food needs to eat that the worse it is likely to be for you, like grains. And it also depends on what you want for your body. A diet high in fat will be better for hormones and your brain because the less your digestive track expends energy the more energy gets to be used on the brain (babies fed breast milk are in ketosis and develop brains quickly for example, have higher iq than non breast milk babies). There's also some more esoteric facts that say you should limit the chakras of the animals you eat if you want good energy.
Plutarch, the Greek biographer, observed: “The ancient Greeks, before the time of Lycurgus, ate nothing but fruits.”
According to Caesar, the Germanics of his time ate only flesh, milk, and cheese. They did not bother with agriculture.
You just have to look at information available and make the best judgement you can knowing there is a right answer, but that no one likely knows it that can explain in enough detail to you to be believable. You just have to go with your gut
Why is There NO Record of Ancient Humans? - Randall Carlson
It is safe to say that the more processing a food needs to eat that the worse it is likely to be for you, like grains. And it also depends on what you want for your body. A diet high in fat will be better for hormones and your brain because the less your digestive track expends energy the more energy gets to be used on the brain (babies fed breast milk are in ketosis and develop brains quickly for example, have higher iq than non breast milk babies). There's also some more esoteric facts that say you should limit the chakras of the animals you eat if you want good energy.
Plutarch, the Greek biographer, observed: “The ancient Greeks, before the time of Lycurgus, ate nothing but fruits.”
According to Caesar, the Germanics of his time ate only flesh, milk, and cheese. They did not bother with agriculture.
You just have to look at information available and make the best judgement you can knowing there is a right answer, but that no one likely knows it that can explain in enough detail to you to be believable. You just have to go with your gut
Why is There NO Record of Ancient Humans? - Randall Carlson
Posted on 11/27/19 at 10:25 am to zatetic
Also probably 3 or 4 of the vegans they interview are 100% on steroids
of course you can make gains on a vegan diet when your on the sauce.
of course you can make gains on a vegan diet when your on the sauce.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 10:57 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:56 pm to McLemore
I don't have a problem with veganism, though I would never go that route. My problems is with vegans.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 4:08 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Whats the pb&j myth then?
This post was edited on 11/27/19 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 11/27/19 at 10:00 pm to numptythrubbers
Did the vegans at least wash their arse
Posted on 11/30/19 at 7:43 am to BurtReynoldsMustache
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Why does anyone else care what anyone else eats as long as it isn’t people? And even then, there’s a time and place.
I feel like this kind of got glossed over.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:21 am to SabiDojo
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I’m completely numb to the diet wars now.
This.
I did a Vegan diet for about 6 months. I lost weight and felt great, but slowly went back. The inconvenience of a vegan diet just annoyed me, and really its not that inconvenient in this day and age.
I like Rogan, there is also a few plant based proponents that I like as well. Each have credible experts. Each give great speeches and points.
Whatever it takes to stop putting garbage in your mouth, go for it.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 4:24 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:31 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I listened to about an hour. Wilks sounds like an idiot at the beginning talking about the 84% reduction or no difference change in cancer with dairy. He picked it up alittle after that, but so far it seems like he is arguing semantics and kressler is arguing substance
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:34 am to dltigers3
Im an hour in and all he is trying to do is bully Chris
Still nothing proving meat is bad for us and that plant based is better for me becoming bigger, stronger and faster.
Still nothing proving meat is bad for us and that plant based is better for me becoming bigger, stronger and faster.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:36 am to StraightCashHomey21
Yea, Rogan asks him several times why he thinks meat is bad and he never gives him an answer
Posted on 12/6/19 at 1:10 pm to Junky
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And that is about it, nothing about vegetables is needed nor essential. They aren't important, at all. They don't magically do anything. Every study, every study, showing the awesomeness of vegetables is always, always, removal of a bad diet and cleaning said diet up. They never, ever, just adding vegetables to a bad diet and show awesome results. That's the basis of the "vegetables are great" science. This religious-based, 7th Day Adventist, 1860's nonsense, needs to die a horrible death.
What did commas ever do to you? Goddamn.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 3:01 pm to dltigers3
After about hour two it gets pretty good
Wilks does bring some good information on why a vegan diet can work but still nothing on why it’s better than being an omnivore or why meat is bad for you.
Wilks does bring some good information on why a vegan diet can work but still nothing on why it’s better than being an omnivore or why meat is bad for you.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 3:34 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I'm going to finish it tomorrow on a run I think. I stopped during the b12 stuff
Posted on 12/6/19 at 3:51 pm to dltigers3
AHS17 What if It's ALL Been a Big Fat Lie? - Peter Ballerstedt
Gary Taubes’ 2002 article in “The New York Times Magazine” illuminated the gap between research-based knowledge and the public perception of what constitutes a “healthy diet,” particularly regarding dietary fat.
This AHS series on Ancestry Foundation is pretty interesting, have quite a lot of info.
Gary Taubes’ 2002 article in “The New York Times Magazine” illuminated the gap between research-based knowledge and the public perception of what constitutes a “healthy diet,” particularly regarding dietary fat.
This AHS series on Ancestry Foundation is pretty interesting, have quite a lot of info.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:03 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Just finished it. Wilks definitely makes some good points, but any time Chris brings up a study that counters him, he claims it can't be trusted because it is funded by the food industry.
Basically, he claimed Chris cherry picker studies to support his debunking, then he turns around and cherry picks studies to defend the doc.
And he never addresses the main point as to why meat is bad.
Basically, he claimed Chris cherry picker studies to support his debunking, then he turns around and cherry picks studies to defend the doc.
And he never addresses the main point as to why meat is bad.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 5:13 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Joe got James Wilks on Kresser
Shits almost four hours long
I’ll listen tomorrow at work
I got through about 20 minutes and wanted to put my head through my car window
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