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re: The Gamechanger Vegan Propaganda Piece Dismantled - Rogan - Kresser ep
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:09 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:09 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I agree with that. I would never touch that fake meat lmao.
I like to cook vegan meals then add meat to them, because in our society, we definitely don’t eat enough vegetables.
I like to cook vegan meals then add meat to them, because in our society, we definitely don’t eat enough vegetables.
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Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:12 pm to SabiDojo
I don’t know who is worse- boomers on Keto or whiny Vegans.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:13 pm to NIH
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:40 pm to SulphursFinest
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we definitely don’t eat enough vegetables.
What do veggies do that are so important?
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:47 pm to lsu777
Help aid in lower cholesterol and blood pressure, full of anti oxidants, vitamins, and minerals. Like the guy i was speaking with said, you would have to eat much, much more vegetables to reach the calories of meat. Meaning, it will help with obesity, which is a huge problem in society today.
Not sure what stance you’re taking here, but if you are about to say that fruits and vegetables are not needed, you will lose any accreditation you had on this board lmao.
Not sure what stance you’re taking here, but if you are about to say that fruits and vegetables are not needed, you will lose any accreditation you had on this board lmao.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 4:36 pm to NIH
What's wrong with keto? Muscle sparing cut method. I prefer IIFYM but nothing wrong with keto
Posted on 11/25/19 at 5:46 pm to SickGainzLP
Nothing. I just get a kick out of the over zealous/former fat boomers on social media who will likely crash on the diet within a year.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 6:07 pm to SulphursFinest
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I like to cook vegan meals then add meat to them
So you just cooked a regular meal, got it.
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 11/25/19 at 6:24 pm to NIH
Oh yea. Definitely a thing haha
Posted on 11/25/19 at 6:37 pm to Junky
A regular meal for me is no veggies, so that’s how I incorporate veggies.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 6:58 pm to SulphursFinest
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lower cholesterol and blood pressure
Got proof that they specifically do this? Or could it be just overall less calories.
I'm not saying they are bad by any means. It's just I see this all the time when they have very little actual positive effects that you can't get from a vitamin. Sure they are good for keeping calories down and being filling, but if the rest of your diet sucks veggies do diddly squat.
Compared to protein and fat, veggies are practically useless.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 9:30 pm to lsu777
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Compared to protein and fat, veggies are useless.
fify
Posted on 11/26/19 at 6:24 am to NIH
For sure right? When someone wants to tell me about their diet my reply is “that’s cool man” then I proceed to shotgun a whole pizza in preparation for my next race.
The diet wars are so confusing to me. Why does anyone else care what anyone else eats as long as it isn’t people? And even then, there’s a time and place.
The diet wars are so confusing to me. Why does anyone else care what anyone else eats as long as it isn’t people? And even then, there’s a time and place.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 7:34 am to Junky
I mean they serve a purpose if you like them, they can help you fill up on low calorie foods but like you said, from a nutrition standpoint kind of useless from most angles.
I mean it's not like they are legit carbs that help with performance and aesthetics.
I mean it's not like they are legit carbs that help with performance and aesthetics.
This post was edited on 11/26/19 at 7:36 am
Posted on 11/26/19 at 1:37 pm to StraightCashHomey21
You are actually pretty right. Hitting Protein macros on a daily basis is much harder now than when I ate more meat. It takes a while to figure out what are good sources of protein on a veggie diet. Honestly, nothing on a plant-based diet has the protein density of good beef and chicken.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 1:47 pm to lsu777
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, lsu777.
I think most people, especially the average American, would benefit from incorporating more vegetables into their diet, even if solely from a satiety standpoint.
They don't contribute much calorically but from a health perspective they are important:
1) The soluable fiber binds to cholesterol, contributing to lower total cholesterol. Whether that actually helps anything is debatable, but current accepted thought in general is that it's a good thing to keep your total lower.
2) The soluable fiber feeds your gut microbiota and helps promote a healthy, diverse microbiome.
3) Promote stable blood glucose (slower digestion of glucose due to fiber)
4) The insoluable fiber helps you pass bowel movements.
5) The wealth of vitamins in fruit & veg prevents malnutrition and nutrient deficiencies. A multivitamin can do the same but personally I prefer not to take one.
Also don't forget that root veggies, tubers, squashes,and corn can be considered vegetables and can contribute significantly to calorie intake.
I think most people, especially the average American, would benefit from incorporating more vegetables into their diet, even if solely from a satiety standpoint.
They don't contribute much calorically but from a health perspective they are important:
1) The soluable fiber binds to cholesterol, contributing to lower total cholesterol. Whether that actually helps anything is debatable, but current accepted thought in general is that it's a good thing to keep your total lower.
2) The soluable fiber feeds your gut microbiota and helps promote a healthy, diverse microbiome.
3) Promote stable blood glucose (slower digestion of glucose due to fiber)
4) The insoluable fiber helps you pass bowel movements.
5) The wealth of vitamins in fruit & veg prevents malnutrition and nutrient deficiencies. A multivitamin can do the same but personally I prefer not to take one.
Also don't forget that root veggies, tubers, squashes,and corn can be considered vegetables and can contribute significantly to calorie intake.
This post was edited on 11/26/19 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 11/26/19 at 4:22 pm to Hulkklogan
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They don't contribute much calorically but from a health perspective they are important:
And that is about it, nothing about vegetables is needed nor essential. They aren't important, at all. They don't magically do anything. Every study, every study, showing the awesomeness of vegetables is always, always, removal of a bad diet and cleaning said diet up. They never, ever, just adding vegetables to a bad diet and show awesome results. That's the basis of the "vegetables are great" science.
This religious-based, 7th Day Adventist, 1860's nonsense, needs to die a horrible death.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 4:28 pm to Hulkklogan
Point was most of the health benefits come from the reduced calories not from the veggies themselves. A simple multi vitamin can give you everything you need from that standpoint.
But I'm not anti veggie, I think most people should eat lien adults with good meets and all kinds of colors on the plates. I just get tired of the Vegan propaganda when veggies are very far down the list of importance when it comes to diet and health.
But I'm not anti veggie, I think most people should eat lien adults with good meets and all kinds of colors on the plates. I just get tired of the Vegan propaganda when veggies are very far down the list of importance when it comes to diet and health.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 4:44 pm to Junky
Fiber is extremely beneficial for us and veggies are high in fiber/calorie ratio.
Are they essential? No. The Inuit and other cultures have proven that. But what's our bar here? "you won't die" is not a very good bar to set for your health.
Let's define this so we can have a non-vague discussion. Is this an implication that by eating more nutrient-dense foods (including fruits fibrous & vegetables) and adding exercise they're unwittingly in a caloric deficit and that's where most of their health marker improvements come from? Because we're in agreement there. That doesn't mean there are no benefits to eating vegetables.
I think it depends on what benefits you're talking about. Again, the fiber in said vegetables is highly beneficial. That said, you can supplement fiber. Again, what bar do we want to set? Do we want everyone chugging Metamucil and cramming multivitamins down their throat? Well, it's better than nothing, but proper amounts of veggies remedy the need for both of those.
Messaging/packaging matters.
Are they essential? No. The Inuit and other cultures have proven that. But what's our bar here? "you won't die" is not a very good bar to set for your health.
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removal of a bad diet and cleaning said diet up
Let's define this so we can have a non-vague discussion. Is this an implication that by eating more nutrient-dense foods (including fruits fibrous & vegetables) and adding exercise they're unwittingly in a caloric deficit and that's where most of their health marker improvements come from? Because we're in agreement there. That doesn't mean there are no benefits to eating vegetables.
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Point was most of the health benefits come from the reduced calories not from the veggies themselves. A simple multi vitamin can give you everything you need from that standpoint.
I think it depends on what benefits you're talking about. Again, the fiber in said vegetables is highly beneficial. That said, you can supplement fiber. Again, what bar do we want to set? Do we want everyone chugging Metamucil and cramming multivitamins down their throat? Well, it's better than nothing, but proper amounts of veggies remedy the need for both of those.
Messaging/packaging matters.
This post was edited on 11/26/19 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 11/26/19 at 5:51 pm to Hulkklogan
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I think it depends on what benefits you're talking about. Again, the fiber in said vegetables is highly beneficial. That said, you can supplement fiber. Again, what bar do we want to set? Do we want everyone chugging Metamucil and cramming multivitamins down their throat? Well, it's better than nothing, but proper amounts of veggies remedy the need for both of those.
Messaging/packaging matters.
Not at all, like I said all for veggies but they aren't anything special. Macro nutrition by design is infinitely more important for performance and health and protein has been proven time and time again to be by far the most beneficial of the macros.
My point from the beginning was to prove the guy spouting off about how health they were that they serve only a small purpose in the grand scheme of things.
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