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Is it better to split your strength training and cardio into 2 sessions or 1 long workout?

Posted on 8/15/21 at 7:36 pm
Posted by kciDAtaE
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Posted on 8/15/21 at 7:36 pm
For the last few months I’ve been strength training for 30-40 minutes then jumping in the gym pool for 30-40 minutes of swimming.

However, recently it’s been tough to fit such a long workout in due to things picking up at work or because the pool is filled.

This has resulted in me lifting in the morning and occasionally coming back to swim later in the day. On one hand I’m fresh for my evening swim and go faster/further, but on the other hand I feel a constant elevated heart rate for 60-75 minutes just blasts my body.

If I have the opportunity to do either, is there a difference?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 8/15/21 at 7:43 pm to
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If I have the opportunity to do either, is there a difference?


At that volume, unless the intensity is insane, no
Posted by kciDAtaE
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Posted on 8/15/21 at 7:50 pm to
It’s definitely not insane. Average heart rate is around 140 for either scenario. I just get more laps in if I split them.
Posted by jennyjones
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Posted on 8/15/21 at 10:29 pm to
If time was not an issue, I’d prefer doing cardio sessions first thing in the morning and strength trainings in the evenings

Some studies say it doesn’t matter the timing , but I feel morning cardio gets my metabolism going better than in the evenings. I get an increase in energy and hunger when doing cardio in the mornings

And I feel stronger and can lift heavier in the evenings. YMMV
This post was edited on 8/15/21 at 10:33 pm
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:20 am to
I lift at lunch and do my cardio at night or early morning. I hate combining them.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:21 am
Posted by Jax Teller
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:04 am to
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If time was not an issue, I’d prefer doing cardio sessions first thing in the morning and strength trainings in the evenings


Same. I do cardio very early and on an empty stomach. I like the way it boosts my metabolism and gets my day going.
Weight train in the evenings and light cardio right after to bring it home.

Works for me.
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:06 am to
I don’t think you’d see a perceptible difference either way. Moving is moving no matter when you do it.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:09 am to
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Moving is moving no matter when you do it.



Well that's not true. Do 500 air squats and go immediately run a mile. Or do 500 air squats and 10 hours later and go run a mile and tell me they aren't different.
Posted by Dixie Normus
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:29 am to
That’s not the question. He asked whether it matters if splits his cardio and strength sessions into two workouts during the day. In the long term vision of programming and weight maintenance, splitting it up will likely not result in any perceptible difference. I’m not denying that it is harder to do one after the other, but that is a short term effect and not really relevant to the issue presented.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:53 am to
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He asked whether it matters if splits his cardio and strength sessions into two workouts during the day. In the long term vision of programming and weight maintenance, splitting it up will likely not result in any perceptible difference.


Sure it could, depending on the intensity. If you can't reach the desired intensity on the second part of the workout doing it in one session will absolutely have a long term effect.

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I’m not denying that it is harder to do one after the other, but that is a short term effect and not really relevant to the issue presented


If a short term effect changes the derisred stimulus then it has a long term effect.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 9:56 am
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:49 am to
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That’s not the question. He asked whether it matters if splits his cardio and strength sessions into two workouts during the day. In the long term vision of programming and weight maintenance, splitting it up will likely not result in any perceptible difference. I’m not denying that it is harder to do one after the other, but that is a short term effect and not really relevant to the issue presented.




If your goal is to build muscle, concurrent training is not optimal. It’s called the interference phenomenon or effect. Not sure at what level of training it starts to be meaningful.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:16 pm to
I agree with Mingo. Having the chance to recover between the two sessions would make a difference in the long term. I think it really all boils down to what the OP is trying to do. If the cardio is a priority, then if might be best to have the second session later so he can have time to recover and get more out of it. If the strength training is the most important part, then it might be best to have the cardio right after the lifts so that he will have all the time until his next session to recover and be able to train harder in the gym. He may not be able to train his cardio as hard, but if it’s not as important, then it may not be a big deal.
Posted by baldona
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Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:28 pm to
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If you can't reach the desired intensity on the second part of the workout doing it in one session will absolutely have a long term effect.


You are only considering it in one day. Over the course of a week, month, etc. it would even out. What you are forgetting is that if he rests for 12 hours in a day he’s also only resting for 12 hours between days, where as working out the same day he’d then have a 24 hour or more rest.

I’m not sure what your plan is OP or how often you work and I’m not an Olympic athlete. But if you are working out 120 mins/ day you are likely over training. Especially if you are trying to build muscle. You likely should be doing more like 40 mins of weights and 15-20 mins of more intense cardio.

Unless you are an athlete focusing your life on your body that’s a lot to be doing for peak performance/ returns.
Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:14 pm to
I break it up.

For me to completely do what I want to do, I have 45 min of zone 2 cardio lined up and at least 45 min of lifting.

2 out of 3 per day
Early AM: Zone 2 Cardio
Lunch: Strength, Oly or Gymastics training
PM: CrossFit class
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:31 pm to
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You are only considering it in one day. Over the course of a week, month, etc. it would even out.


It'll likely get even worse

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What you are forgetting is that if he rests for 12 hours in a day he’s also only resting for 12 hours between days, where as working out the same day he’d then have a 24 hour or more rest.


But he's still resting 24 hours between each lifting session and cardio session. And that's not really how it works anyway.

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I’m not sure what your plan is OP or how often you work and I’m not an Olympic athlete. But if you are working out 120 mins/ day you are likely over training.


No such thing as over training as long as you are sufficiently recovering. I do more volume in a day than some people here do in a week, but I can recover from it.

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Especially if you are trying to build muscle. You likely should be doing more like 40 mins of weights and 15-20 mins of more intense cardio.


Well that would just depend.

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Unless you are an athlete focusing your life on your body that’s a lot to be doing for peak performance/ returns.


Huh?
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:59 pm to
Both options sound reasonable. Do what’s sustainable.
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 8/22/21 at 11:56 am to
I prefer to just lift and stay lean by eating the proper amount of calories so that I don’t have to waste time doing cardio.
Posted by Athos
Member since Sep 2016
11878 posts
Posted on 8/22/21 at 3:36 pm to
Just cut it down and modify into HIIT. Far more bang for the buck. But I also hate extended cardio sessions. Bores me.
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