re: Inching closer to meat-only...

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Way better than vegan or vegetarian, but as much as I love meat I have to have balance.

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Better in what way? Look, I love meat, and I now eat more meat than vegetables, but if I were forced to go one way or the other, I'd choose veggies because, China Study.

Why?

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Heavily flawed and has been ripped to shreds many times.

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I've read some ripped to shreds articles. I don't buy the ripped part. I think many people are seeing hat they want to see.

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I've read some ripped to shreds articles. I don't buy the ripped part. I think many people are seeing hat they want to see.

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I'm not advocating removing vegetables from one's diet; I have 0 desire to do that, and I personally think vegetables play a large role in a balanced diet.

That said, the China study's raw data is all correlation, no causation. On top of this, the "experts" that tend to use the China study to push their own dietary beliefs typically do so from a heavily skewed vegan perspective, and they will cherry-pick stats and values to prove their points. It's not a good study to cite as meat being bad.

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I personally think vegetables play a large role in a balanced diet.

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That's true. The only question is if diets should be "balanced" or not.

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It's not a good study to cite as meat being bad.

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I didn't say this nor imply it. I just said if going all one or the other, I'd go all veggie. That said, there's no way I'm doing either one.

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The best doctor advice is shop the perimeter of the grocery store. Fresh veggies fruit meat yogurt etc. Avoid processed/frozen foods

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Only use frozen veggies if you have too

sadly the quality of produce at my local Walmart often forces us to buy frozen green beans and broccoli.

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Whaaaa? That much red meat will give you a heart attack.

I've cut out ALL red meats. Chicken, turkey, fish/seafood, with plenty of low-startchy greens and fiber (with vegetables or rice protein-heavy smoothies) is the way to go.

Having a healthy heart will keep you around a looooong time.

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Here's some good commentary on how the cancer aspect is bullshite to:

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he World Health Organization (WHO) announced recently that processed meats, such as salami and bacon, are on par with cigarettes as a
“convincing”
cause of cancer and that fresh red meat, like steak,
is a “probable” cause.
These statements overstate the evidence and mislead the public about their cancer risk from eating meat. The determination of whether a substance causes cancer has traditionally relied upon three sources of evidence: animal models, data looking at possible mechanisms, and epidemiology. In the case of meat, the WHO committee determined that the evidence from animals was inadequate
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simply put, feeding animals a diet rich in red meat does not give them cancer. The mechanistic evidence was strong-to-moderate, but these data alone cannot determine a mutagenic agent. Driving the WHO conclusion was the epidemiological data. Epidemiology is a science that can establish associations (being in hospital is associated with death) but seldom cause and effect (being in hospital does not cause death). The great success story of epidemiological science was its ability to link smoking to cancer, with WHO designating tobacco as a
“convincing”
carcinogen in 1986. In that case, heavy smokers had a 9-to-25 times greater risk of contracting lung cancer than did non-smokers,
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a
“relative risk” big enough to
give researchers confidence that the association was a real. Ever since, however, standards for these risks in policy making have been dropping. T
his week’s decision
s on meat were based on relative risks of 1.17 to 1.18, a tiny fraction of those for smoking.

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LINK

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relative risks of 1.17 to 1.18, a tiny fraction of those for smoking.

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I was coming to post these numbers, without looking, I think the numbers related to processed meats were 1.21 or 1.4(?). Anything under 2 is considered scientifically insignificant and should not be considered as a correlation.

A better explanation of RR

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well they are also known for taking tons of roids

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Mark is, but not Chris. He was a pill head and alcoholic.


That has what to do with their diet? I am not going all meat but it is interesting to watch them experiment.

I think Mark's lost some muscle mass lately, he's been in a deficit for a while. He still admits to taking some testosterone though.