re: Inching closer to meat-only...

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He had a major bacterial infection and lost like 40 lbs

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Maybe Biggus Dickus should have stuck to untainted meat.

I just imagine the hard and long shits that will be taken doing this... Yikes

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One of the craziest things, in my opinion, is that it's 2018 and there is still no cohesive answer in the medical/health field on what the ideal human diet is. However, to say that a meat-only diet is so clearly the correct answer is the definition of shaky

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It's not "so clearly" the correct answer, but it's certainly healthier than the shite that has been foisted on the American public for the past 50 years. And FWIW, recent research shows that ancient humans were more carnivorous than even wolves.

I'm not saying people should eat only meat, but I am quite sick and tired of hearing that red meat is bad for you. I essentially treat it as my #1 health food. It is spectacular for your nutrition overall.

Doesn’t sound good for the colon.

The ideal diet is very simple. Meat, fruits and vegetables.

You'll never meet an overweight person on this diet. All those "thyroid issues" seem to disappear as well.

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Doesn’t sound good for the colon.

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How so? The red meat colon cancer myth is just that, a myth. You get all the nutrients from fatty meat, this is fact in that there are many different cultures that have flourished on carnivore diets. Don't give me the inuit were terrible in health, because that happened after western people brought western foods into their lives.

Meat is completely bioavailable. Don't give me the BS about a lack of vitamin C, there is enough Vitamin C in fresh meat for humans to use due to the lack of glucose in a diet such as carnivore. Glucose competes with vitamin c for uptake into the body. When there is little to no glucose, the requirement for vitamin c goes way down, thus preventing scurvy. This was already proven in a study published in 1930. And don't give me the n=2 anecdote bullshite - if humans couldn't live on fresh meat alone, these individuals wouldn't have made it an entire year. The USDA database is wrong when it comes to vitamin c in meat. Anywhere there is collagen, there is vitamin c.

There are even isotope evidence of human carnivores in the past.

Early Modern Human Isotope Values.
- There are 14 modern humans from the European earlier (Early and Mid) Upper Paleolithic (MIS 3) that have carbon isotope values, and 10 which have both carbon and nitrogen isotope values (see Fig. 1, Table S2). The Oase 1 modern human is the oldest directly dated modern human in Europe [˜40,000 cal BP (42" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noreferrer"> and the only one in our study that overlaps in time with Neanderthals. The other early modern humans from the Early- to Mid-Upper Paleolithic with isotopic values date to between ˜34,000 and ˜27,000 cal BP and are (or are likely to be) associated with late Aurignacian or especially Gravettian technology.[...]Early modern humans in Europe have a more varied range of isotopic values that indicates that some of them consumed significant quantities of aquatic foods, both from freshwater and marine sources.

Which makes sense because DHA is found in aquatic species and it is thought DHA was one of the reasons for our brain development.

Stable Isotope Evidence for Early Modern Human Diet in Southeastern Europe: Pestera cu Oase, Pestera Muierii and Pestera Cioclovina Uscata
- A significant increase in d 15 N values among the more recent humans implies greater carnivory and/or a broader proteinaceous dietary spectrum for them, a trend apparently present into the Middle Upper Paleolithic.

Stable Isotope Evidence for European Upper Paleolithic Human Diets
- The isotope data were measured to determine the sources of dietary protein in Upper Paleolithic diets; the evidence indicates that animal, not plant, protein was the dominant protein source for all of the humans measured. Interestingly, the isotope evidence shows that aquatic (marine and freshwater) foods are important in the diets of a number of individuals throughout this period.

FOCUS: Gough's Cave and Sun Hole Cave Human Stable Isotope Values Indicate a High Animal Protein Diet in the British Upper Palaeolithic

- Conclusions

This limited stable isotope study propose that Late Upper Palaeolithic hunters in southern Britain had a hunting economy and that their protein was mainly derived from the woodland species Bos and Cervus elaphus, while Equus was only consumed periodically. If the human bones measured here are from the hunters at Gough’s an Sun Hole Caves as being specialist sites for hunting horse at certain times of the year, but the animal meat was only a supplement to a year-round diet based mainly on hunted woodland mammals.
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Fiber:

Fiber and colorectal diseases: Separating fact from fiction
- Whilst it is not the intention of the authors to totally discourage fiber in the diet and the use of fiber supplements, there does not seem to be much use for fiber in colorectal diseases. We, however, want to emphasize that what we have all been made to believe about fiber needs a second look.

Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms
- The results of this study should lead us to reexamine popular beliefs in benefits of dietary fiber and more studies should be undertaken to confirm or repudiate these results.
In conclusion, contrary to popularly held beliefs, reducing or stopping dietary fiber intake improves constipation and its associated symptoms.[...]Whilst it is often stated in physiology textbooks that bulking agents improve peristalsis, there is no proof of this in practice nor experimentally.

Fiber has been overrated and not important to us at all.

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Antioxidants are another matter There has been some interesting studies found on antioxidants and fruits.

The increase in human plasma antioxidant capacity after apple consumption is due to the metabolic effect of fructose on urate, not apple-derived antioxidant flavonoids
- Taken together, our data show that the increase in plasma antioxidant capacity in humans after apple consumption is due mainly to the well-known metabolic effect of fructose on urate, not apple-derived antioxidant flavonoids.

Green tea extract only affects markers of oxidative status postprandially: lasting antioxidant effect of flavonoid-free diet.
- Since no long-term effects of GTE were observed, the study essentially served as a fruit and vegetables depletion study. The overall effect of the 10-week period without dietary fruits and vegetables was a decrease in oxidative damage to DNA, blood proteins, and plasma lipids, concomitantly with marked changes in antioxidative defence.[...]The study can therefore be seen as a 10 weeks controlled study with dietary depletion of all food antioxidants derived from fruits and vegetables, except for carrots and potatoes. During the depletion we observed a decrease in oxidative damage to proteins, DNA, and lipids, concomitantly with a major reduction in plasma ascorbate and minor changes in other vitamins and in antioxidant enzyme activities. We speculate that these seemingly positive effects on oxidative status are partly due to depletion of some pro-oxidant compounds co-existing with vitamin C in fruits and vegetables and this underlines the general lack of solid knowledge of the mechanisms by which a diet rich in fruits and vegetables cause a decrease in the risk of chronic diseases.

I.e. We don't really know that fruits and vegetables cause a decrease in chronic diseases. It is just one of those blanket statements not backed by any hard science.
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How so? The red meat colon cancer myth is just that, a myth. You get all the nutrients from fatty meat, this is fact in that there are many different cultures that have flourished on carnivore diets. Don't give me the inuit were terrible in health, because that happened after western people brought western foods into their lives. Meat is completely bioavailable. Don't give me the BS about a lack of vitamin C, there is enough Vitamin C in fresh meat for humans to use due to the lack of glucose in a diet such as carnivore. Glucose competes with vitamin c for uptake into the body. When there is little to no glucose, the requirement for vitamin c goes way down, thus preventing scurvy. This was already proven in a study published in 1930. And don't give me the n=2 anecdote bull shite - if humans couldn't live on fresh meat alone, these individuals wouldn't have made it an entire year. The USDA database is wrong when it comes to vitamin c in meat. Anywhere there is collagen, there is vitamin c. There are even isotope evidence of human carnivores in the past.

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That 1930's study was a "study" of 3 whole people, basically just 2, that's not even considered a study in today's time. The problem with all these studies meat only eaters, vegetarians, or whatever is they post all these random study's and when they come back inconclusive it's considered a victory. "Here is a study of 10 people over an entire week who didn't die" Here is a study of 4 people over a month and they didn't die" "A few people got diarrhea and constipated but that's normal when starting out" People's cholesterol went up but we've decided that now high cholesterol isn't a big deal b/c we saw a poster on TD say it once a year ago" "Or here is a random study from some random doctor (who ya'll usually don't trust) in Canada who did a blog about how high cholesterol is now GREAT"

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When there is little to no glucose, the requirement for vitamin c goes way down, thus preventing scurvy

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Maybe I'm wrong as it's been awhile since I've studied this. Not disagreeing here, glucose "competes" with Vitamin C and usually "wins" getting in the cell over C but normally there is a receptor that lets both of them in and it really is irrelevant unless your pancreas isn't working correctly.

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There are 14 modern humans from the European earlier (Early and Mid) Upper Paleolithic (MIS 3) that have carbon isotope values, and 10 which have both carbon and nitrogen isotope values (see Fig. 1, Table S2). The Oase 1 modern human is the oldest directly dated modern human in Europe [˜40,000 cal BP (42" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> and the only one in our study that overlaps in time with Neanderthals. The other early modern humans from the Early- to Mid-Upper Paleolithic with isotopic values date to between ˜34,000 and ˜27,000 cal BP and are (or are likely to be) associated with late Aurignacian or especially Gravettian technology.[...]Early modern humans in Europe have a more varied range of isotopic values that indicates that some of them consumed significant quantities of aquatic foods, both from freshwater and marine sources.

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What does this have to do with anything? Depending on location they either ate all animals or were omnivores. Even the study linked stated they probably ate only animals b/c they haven't adapted and were basically animals themselves. As they became more intelligent they started eating a more diverse diet which included vegetables. Plus they were considered old at like 25. Even people try to push the Plains Indians but when you just randomly research about them and not try to find links to justify your own opinion you'll see they also ate quite a bit of vegetables and bread along with Bison.

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The overall effect of the 10-week period without dietary fruits and vegetables was a decrease in oxidative damage to DNA, blood proteins, and plasma lipids, concomitantly with marked changes in antioxidative defence.

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Ground breaking stuff



So basically in college I lived on Wendy's and McDonalds, beer and cigarettes, and since my BP was still good, cholesterol was still good, I felt great, that means everyone should go to that type of diet. Most of these "studies" are small sample sizes and like I said earlier, when it comes back inconclusive, it's considered a victory somehow.

The bottom line is people shouldn't base their entire eating lifestyle off what some poster on Reddit, TD, or some jack arse on Youtube who "did tons of research" says. Common sense should tell most people how to eat, and every person is different. What may be great for me may not work for somebody else.

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Our "common sense" today is informed by several generations of bad-to-fraudulent nutrition advice, not 1000s of years of accumulated folk knowledge and certainly not science.

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Our common sense is knowing how we react to different foods and knowing when to stop eating and not get too full.

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on what do you base this?

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Well allergic reactions for one. Also, my wife for instance got food poisoning about 15 years ago, to this day she cannot eat red meat without getting sick, she has to eat very little. I eat red meat and I'm fine. I eat bread and get extreme heartburn and feel very tired, my wife eats bread and has no issues. My mother also has the same issues with bread. Everybody is different, not sure what there is to explain. One guy might could eat meat only and live till 90 and another might drop dead after 6 months due to health issues.

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Of course--go to the source and pick it apart.

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We could throw links at each other all day long to fit our own opinions.

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That 1930's study was a "study" of 3 whole people, basically just 2, that's not even considered a study in today's time.

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I am glad this rustled your feathers. The results still stand no matter N=2 or N = (a variety of carnivore cultures around the world)...people thrive on a plant-free life. This post was to shake up people's views. Hatred toward what was stated was an intended reaction* I expected from some.