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Posted on 6/9/20 at 5:01 pm to LSU5508
The first time I broke 80 was at Webb Park back in the day. I had zero expectations. We had just been married and had a young kid. I hadn’t played in six months or so.
I went bogey, bogey par, triple bogey (OB left) to start the round five over after four holes. Someone how I rallied with a 2 on five and another bird coming in to finish the front nine in 42.
I was hot, birdied 10, parred ez 11, but birdied 12 to get down to 4 over. I finished up by birdieing both par threes and two bogies for a final score of 76. My wedge and putter were on fire. I left my putt on 18 an inch from going in or I would have birdied 18.
42-34=76
Three deuces in a round, four birds on the back, and I never scored better. All after starting five over.
I went bogey, bogey par, triple bogey (OB left) to start the round five over after four holes. Someone how I rallied with a 2 on five and another bird coming in to finish the front nine in 42.
I was hot, birdied 10, parred ez 11, but birdied 12 to get down to 4 over. I finished up by birdieing both par threes and two bogies for a final score of 76. My wedge and putter were on fire. I left my putt on 18 an inch from going in or I would have birdied 18.
42-34=76
Three deuces in a round, four birds on the back, and I never scored better. All after starting five over.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 7:59 am
Posted on 6/9/20 at 5:28 pm to LSU5508
Also, one more thing to add: start challenging yourself on occasion on the course and pushing yourself out of your comfort zone. An 18 handicapper shouldn’t be doing this, but it’s healthy for a 10 or 11.
By that, I mean go out and play the tips or play worst-ball two ball scramble by yourself on a Wednesday afternoon when the course is a bit empty (not on a Saturday morning when it’s packed). Pick a more difficult tee on a par 3 or par 5 on occasion. And so on.
I didn’t get consistently into the mid-70’s and below until I played the tips on my home course every single round. Then when I’d step up on a 6,500 or whatever yard course for a game with friends or a tournament, it seemed a good bit easier and my confidence went up.
Finally, and I might get some pushback on this one, but I think many amateurs in that range play too conservatively off the tee and too aggressively into greens, but it’s tough to definitively state that would help without seeing your game.
By that, I mean go out and play the tips or play worst-ball two ball scramble by yourself on a Wednesday afternoon when the course is a bit empty (not on a Saturday morning when it’s packed). Pick a more difficult tee on a par 3 or par 5 on occasion. And so on.
I didn’t get consistently into the mid-70’s and below until I played the tips on my home course every single round. Then when I’d step up on a 6,500 or whatever yard course for a game with friends or a tournament, it seemed a good bit easier and my confidence went up.
Finally, and I might get some pushback on this one, but I think many amateurs in that range play too conservatively off the tee and too aggressively into greens, but it’s tough to definitively state that would help without seeing your game.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:50 pm to AbuTheMonkey
How did you guys learn your club distances? Was it with trial and error over years of play or did you use a launch monitor type device to really hone in on differences? I am constantly not knowing exactly what club to use and the range only gives you very general guidelines. I haven’t wanted to go to launch monitor route yet mainly since I’m taking lessons I’m sure my swing will change over time until I develop my new swing.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 6/9/20 at 10:36 pm to LSU5508
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How did you guys learn your club distances? Was it with trial and error over years of play or did you use a launch monitor type device to really hone in on differences? I am constantly not knowing exactly what club to use and the range only gives you very general guidelines. I haven’t wanted to go to launch monitor route yet mainly since I’m taking lessons I’m sure my swing will change over time until I develop my new swing.
Launch monitor 100% for any full swing - you should be able to gauge distance +/- one yard for each club under "perfect" conditions after a few sessions on a TrackMan. Unless you are specifically trying to add MPH to your swing, your speeds aren't going to change that much with lessons.
I would also take a technical approach to dialing in the wedge game, but getting your distances down on wedges takes a little more art than, say, a 5 iron.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:04 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Where does one go use a trackman? Is that something you can rent time on?
Posted on 6/10/20 at 3:33 am to LSU5508
Trial and error. Having a GPS or range finder is very helpful. If you keep coming up short with your 8i from 155, you don't hit your 8i 155 yards. But unless you know for sure the distance to the front/center/back or to the pin, it'll never be more than a guess at how far you hit your clubs.
In theory, you can figure out one club and get reasonably close to the other clubs by adding 11-13 yards every club you go up and vice versa going down. When I first picked up golf, I knew my 8i went 150 and it was pretty simple to go up 10 yards a club and math it out until I started getting a hang of my distances.
LINK- golf.com article with average club distances per swing speed
In theory, you can figure out one club and get reasonably close to the other clubs by adding 11-13 yards every club you go up and vice versa going down. When I first picked up golf, I knew my 8i went 150 and it was pretty simple to go up 10 yards a club and math it out until I started getting a hang of my distances.
LINK- golf.com article with average club distances per swing speed
Posted on 6/10/20 at 5:55 am to LSU5508
quote:You can get a good estimate from a launch monitor but conditions won’t always be perfect. Hitting off a mat or using range balls or not being completely warmed up can all be factors that don’t translate to the course when you actually play. But I think they can give you a good starting point and then you can figure out exact numbers over a few rounds.
How did you guys learn your club distances?
If your equipment changes, your numbers will change too. That includes irons you’ve been using for a while and the lofts change over time after hitting them often.
A launch monitor isn’t cheap and most places don’t have decent ones. Trackman and GC Quad are the standards and I only know of a few fitters who use trackman in Louisiana. Most places have GC2 still. It’s okay and will do what you want from a starting point perspective, but don’t trust every number to be perfect. A trackman used outdoors will give you the most accurate ball data. A GC Quad used indoors will give you the best ball data but a bonus is that it can give you club data too. Really helpful for fitters who know how to analyze them.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 6:46 am to Warfarer
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Hitting 60% of the fairways and eliminating big misses off the tee goes a long way.
This! I shot 82 yesterday mainly due to dumbass shots off the tee. Sometimes par is fine. If you mess around and make birdie so be it.
Work on you game around the green.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 8:48 am to CoachChappy
Track these four stats and it will tell you where you need to improve:
Number of fairways hit
Number of greens hit
Number of putts
Length of putts made.
I do it with dots and numbers on a scorecard and add it up afterward. It’s amazing how many putts I tend to have and I miss more fairways that I thought I was. When you are hitting 10 / 14 fairways you will be in the 70s unless you are playing from the wrong tees.
Number of fairways hit
Number of greens hit
Number of putts
Length of putts made.
I do it with dots and numbers on a scorecard and add it up afterward. It’s amazing how many putts I tend to have and I miss more fairways that I thought I was. When you are hitting 10 / 14 fairways you will be in the 70s unless you are playing from the wrong tees.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:05 am to Big L
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Number of greens hit
Number of putts
Length of putts made.
These are important.
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Number of fairways hit
If you are playing a typical country club, this not so much. Being far and in play is better than being 200 out in the fairway. I track drives that are not in the shite
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:22 am to LSU5508
Consistency off the tee #1...then prob ability to get up and down and never 3 putt.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 12:48 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I track drives that are not in the shite
I call them, “between the tree lines”; which as fine until the superintendent gets sadistic and decides to grow 3 inch rough 2 yards off the fairway which we dealt with last year.
The good news: I picked up a bunch of brand new proV1s down in the grass just a yard or two off fairway.
The bad news: I hurt my back trying to play more than an 8 iron out of the hay.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:14 pm to LSU5508
So I’ve just recently in the last six months or so made the jump from being consistently in the low or mid 80s to now consistently in the mid 70s to low 80s. What has really helped me is to stop trying to force my ball to do things.
It took me forever to fix my slice to where I can now hit a good draw, it took years. But what I figured out recently is that if I just let myself swing freely, I’ve improved enough to where I just hit a very slight controllable fade. What I have started to do is just swing freely and let the ball fade slightly, and not worry so much about ball flight. I aim a little left take a normal swing, sometimes it goes straight but usually it fades slightly and I’m in a good spot.
So if you are taking lessons chances are you have a lot of swing thoughts and stuff going on in your head and a specific ball flight in mind. Instead, hit a small bucket before the round, don’t try and aim it just hit it, figure out which direction your ball is going naturally and just play that any time you can, that’s helped me a ton
It took me forever to fix my slice to where I can now hit a good draw, it took years. But what I figured out recently is that if I just let myself swing freely, I’ve improved enough to where I just hit a very slight controllable fade. What I have started to do is just swing freely and let the ball fade slightly, and not worry so much about ball flight. I aim a little left take a normal swing, sometimes it goes straight but usually it fades slightly and I’m in a good spot.
So if you are taking lessons chances are you have a lot of swing thoughts and stuff going on in your head and a specific ball flight in mind. Instead, hit a small bucket before the round, don’t try and aim it just hit it, figure out which direction your ball is going naturally and just play that any time you can, that’s helped me a ton
Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:28 pm to Tiger1242
Luckily my swing isn't terrible. I'm too inside out so i've been working on more down the line and have made significant progress but it still feels unnatural. It feels like i'm coming over the top even though i'm now only slightly inside. My old in to out swing still comes back and I get a lot of pushes and hooks off the tee which constantly have me taking my second shot from a fairway bunker/hill or under trees so whenever I finally make the new swing natural I should have a much more favorable second shot.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:57 pm to LSU5508
For sure. It sounds like you are on the right track man! Just keep working on that swing and it will come in time, while you wait focus on easy chips. I know a lot of people say the key is to be able to hit half of your greens in regulation. That sounds nice but it’s way harder said than done, think about practicing easy chip shots, so when you do miss the green you can get half of those up and down. Hit 5 greens but then get up and down 7/13 and you’ll be near the 70’s.
It’s good to practice the tough ones some, but spend the majority of your short game time working on easy chips and pitches that you feel like you should be getting up and down
It’s good to practice the tough ones some, but spend the majority of your short game time working on easy chips and pitches that you feel like you should be getting up and down
Posted on 6/10/20 at 3:02 pm to LSU5508
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Luckily my swing isn't terrible. I'm too inside out so i've been working on more down the line and have made significant progress but it still feels unnatural. It feels like i'm coming over the top even though i'm now only slightly inside. My old in to out swing still comes back and I get a lot of pushes and hooks off the tee which constantly have me taking my second shot from a fairway bunker/hill or under trees so whenever I finally make the new swing natural I should have a much more favorable second shot.
Have had the same exact problem. Have to consciously think about "covering the ball" otherwise I come too far from the inside and pull my left shoulder out early. It feels like you're going over the top, but it is only getting us on plane. There is a short video on youtube where Pat Perez talks about having the same issue.
I will shot 80/81 and think back about the round where I could have managed a hole or two better and likely cost myself shots. The struggle is real.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 3:07 pm to LSU5508
I recently got some new irons(Cobra F-max Airspeed irons, yes I am old). I have a Bushnell Phantom G.P.S. that I use the yardage function to see how far I hit each iron compared to my my old irons. It really is a good unit if all you need is front, middle, and back of green yardage but it also gives you yardage to hazards.
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