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is technology ruining golf?
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:10 pm
Why doesnt the tour, level the playing field? it seems like they cant keep lengthening courses for ever? Why not have the older technology like during the Nicklaus/palmer era? Its just sickening to watch players hit wedges into these long par 4s.
Of course I understand its because there is so much money on the golf manufacturers who make money off the 15-30 handicapper who wants to look like there favorite player. But now every course they have to change par 5s to 4s and even some short 4s to 3s. its ruined holes like 13 at augusta where there is no decision in going for the green in 2 because its a mid or short iron for the players.
Do you like watching golf now vs the 80s?
Of course I understand its because there is so much money on the golf manufacturers who make money off the 15-30 handicapper who wants to look like there favorite player. But now every course they have to change par 5s to 4s and even some short 4s to 3s. its ruined holes like 13 at augusta where there is no decision in going for the green in 2 because its a mid or short iron for the players.
Do you like watching golf now vs the 80s?
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Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:23 pm to bdavids09
Most tour courses should just grow out the rough and narrow the fairways. Build new tee boxes for the pros that change their sight lines
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:38 pm to bdavids09
I'm a fan of bifurcation. The pros and competitive amateurs should have different equipment than the average joe. Nicklaus is right...golf courses don't have the land to keep lengthening the course.
I don't agree with just "narrowing the fairways and growing the rough." No one wants to watch guys hack it out of the rough every week, and no one wants to watch them hit irons off the tee. Make the ball spin more, so it will travel shorter distances and go offline easier. That's the answer, IMO.
I don't agree with just "narrowing the fairways and growing the rough." No one wants to watch guys hack it out of the rough every week, and no one wants to watch them hit irons off the tee. Make the ball spin more, so it will travel shorter distances and go offline easier. That's the answer, IMO.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:54 pm to bdavids09
If it was that big of a deal I feel like the scores would be so much lower than they used to be but I don’t believe they are significantly lower. They are still hitting long irons into the 200 yard par 3’s and stuffing it close so it’s not like that skill is removed from their practice agenda. I will also fat an 8 iron to 30 yards short of the green so it hasn’t ruined it for me yet
Posted on 7/30/20 at 5:00 pm to bdavids09
Certainly some of its technology, but these guys have training tools that did not exist, personal trainers, support teams. That’s the true difference in my opinion.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 5:00 pm to bdavids09
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Why doesnt the tour, level the playing field?
It is level. They all have access to the same equipment, nutrition, coaches, personal trainers, etc.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 9:10 pm to bdavids09
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is technology ruining golf?
No.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 9:15 pm to Tyga Woods
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It is level. They all have access to the same equipment, nutrition, coaches, personal trainers, etc.
But as a fan I think this has hurt the game. Used to be, you would just be in awe at the natural ability of these guys. A guy shooting 66 in the 80's, to me, is a lot more impressive than a guy shooting 66 these days. It's akin to wrestling...you know the whole thing is rigged before it starts.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 9:47 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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..you know the whole thing is rigged before it starts.
How so?
I still enjoy watching the pros hit a good/ great shot.
This post was edited on 7/30/20 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:01 pm to tigerinthebueche
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How so?
I still enjoy watching the pros hit a good/ great shot.
No doubt...I do, too.
By rigged I mean the best equipment, courses in absolutely pristine condition, nutritionists and coaches on hand to handle every aspect of keeping the body in top shape specifically for golf, access to the best technology to look at swing optimization....it's just so far away from what the game used to be, imo.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:09 pm to bdavids09
No, in the end it’s all about who’s making putts out there at that level....
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:59 am to CoachChappy
I wish every course played like the US Open personally.
I have no enjoyment, and hardly ever am glued to these random tournaments where people are shooting like -17 or -25. It’s just a bad product imo.
I enjoy watching the most when the winning score is around even par
I have no enjoyment, and hardly ever am glued to these random tournaments where people are shooting like -17 or -25. It’s just a bad product imo.
I enjoy watching the most when the winning score is around even par
Posted on 7/31/20 at 3:31 am to Zzyzx
quote:frick no. If I want to see golfers struggle week after week, I can just go out and play myself. I watch the tour for the excitement of birdies and eagles and the occasional collapse. Creates better drama. Seeing them struggle to make pars once or twice a year and still win is fine. It’s humbling and can be entertaining in small doses. Don’t give me that shite every week. I see it enough in my own game.
I wish every course played like the US Open personally.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 5:27 am to bdavids09
Every course is going to have their scoring holes! You can’t make every hole this insanely hard hole. There’s a lot of people that make big numbers on hole 13 at Augusta. You don’t know it cause you only see the leaders (who are playing the best golf that week). What about Hole 12 at Augusta? It’s a gap wedge to 9 iron for these pros and they have huge numbers. Technology isn’t ruining golf and no they don’t or shouldn’t continue to lengthen courses. On top of that they don’t need to make any restrictions to the golf ball either. Like mentioned above, the solution is grow the rough out and make it a legit penalty to hit it anywhere other than the fairway. Narrow the fairways as well. Force these guys to strategize their way around a course. The reason why they don’t? Cause players such as Phil and numerous others biitch and complain and blast the courses when they do.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 5:54 am to mmmmmbeeer
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By rigged I mean the best equipment, courses in absolutely pristine condition, nutritionists and coaches on hand to handle every aspect of keeping the body in top shape specifically for golf, access to the best technology to look at swing optimization....it's just so far away from what the game used to be, imo.
True, but this is the case in every pro sport isn’t it? Is it an aberration or is it how pro sports is supposed to be?
If the pros didn’t have all this shite, many of them would be just like the rest of us. We can watch that every weekend at our local courses so what’s the point of that.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:11 am to bdavids09
Coffin bunkers dotting the courses between 310 and 335 would be interesting.
Creative plantings could be interesting as well.
Creative plantings could be interesting as well.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 8:33 am to bdavids09
Baseball, football, tennis, and basketball all regulate the ball used.
Golf should do a better job of this.
I realize it’s the same for all the players, but golf has standards and traditions. You don’t want Augusta to lose its edge, you want Pebble to remain relevant and you want to see a real US Open and a real British Open. You also don’t want pros to be struggling to shoot par every weekend. You want guys playing great golf.
There’s a balance that needs to be maintained and you can’t let the mad scientists out there defeat the best tests in golf so easily. How golf does this will be interesting to follow. These old, great courses all can’t afford to buy up neighborhoods to combat technology.
Golf should do a better job of this.
I realize it’s the same for all the players, but golf has standards and traditions. You don’t want Augusta to lose its edge, you want Pebble to remain relevant and you want to see a real US Open and a real British Open. You also don’t want pros to be struggling to shoot par every weekend. You want guys playing great golf.
There’s a balance that needs to be maintained and you can’t let the mad scientists out there defeat the best tests in golf so easily. How golf does this will be interesting to follow. These old, great courses all can’t afford to buy up neighborhoods to combat technology.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 8:45 am to CoachChappy
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Most tour courses should just grow out the rough and narrow the fairways. Build new tee boxes for the pros that change their sight lines
Yep. Punish the hell out of them for missing a fairway (that has been narrowed considerably) even if by just a yard.
With all the talk of Bryson hitting the ball out of the world, he still has to get it in the hole and he isn't dominating the tour. There is enough parity on tour that, even if a guy is hitting it 400 yards, he won't win consistently without the rest of his game being out of this world good.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 9:01 am to Warfarer
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With all the talk of Bryson hitting the ball out of the world, he still has to get it in the hole and he isn't dominating the tour. There is enough parity on tour that, even if a guy is hitting it 400 yards, he won't win consistently without the rest of his game being out of this world good.
THIS!
Bryson is doing something that most of the other golfers would love to do. Increase their swing speed and still control the ball. Most of them can swing harder but lose control. What Bryson is doing is really remarkable and unique.
I saw a story about how Jack Nicklaus won the US Open Long drive in the 60's or 70's with a 356 yard drive. If he was using modern equipment that drive may have been 400 yds... he was not the norm back then either... there is a reason he won so much. He was consistently one of hte longer hitters on tour and the rest of his game was pretty legit too.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 9:21 am to bdavids09
Are the scores that much lower than “back in the day” they aren’t shooting 10 strokes lower. So no, it isn’t.
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