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re: Adidas drops DJ and Sergio

Posted on 2/21/23 at 7:09 pm to
Posted by tiger626
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 7:09 pm to
Where is adidas spending the money instead? Many of you like to attack LIV but really do companies make enough money off the advertising these days with so many more companies competing that are able to provide a better product with direct marketing.
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 7:09 pm
Posted by VernonPLSUfan
Leesville, La.
Member since Sep 2007
17608 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 7:51 pm to
If Tiger aint on your side, your fricked.
Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
8192 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:21 pm to
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plus they both married a lot of money


Sergio married into money? Deets?
Posted by patnuh
South LA
Member since Sep 2005
7424 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:53 pm to
Sergio is married to some girl from Houston area I think.
Posted by RummelTiger
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Member since Aug 2004
93167 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:44 am to
Sergio married Marty Akins daughter, Angela.

Marty did well as a trial lawyer, but he just also happens to be the Uncle of one Drew Brees.

Sergio & Angela live in Austin now, believe in Spanish Oaks, as I know he’s a member there.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
14598 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:23 am to
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Ask any former rock star or athlete. The money is awesome, but the crowds and spotlight are the real drug


Has Dustin Johnson ever struck you as a person that really wants to be in the spotlight?
Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
5221 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:36 am to
I don't have a dog in the PGA / LIV fight, and honestly don't understand the PGA (or LIV) fanboys. That said, it's not 100% accurate to say Adidas dropped Johnson. Seems like he asked out of the contract and Adidas was probably happy to oblige. There are times when both parties are happy to move on. If the article on ESPN is to be believed, it looks like he wanted an out so that he could leverage an equity stake and make more money. His Adidas contract was a 15 year $150 million contract, easy to believe with the money LIV is throwing around that he could make that up without much effort.

Adidas doesn't own Taylormade anymore, so that relationship still seems to be intact.

Here are some quotes from the article --

"Johnson, 38, is an equity owner and captain of the 4Aces GC. To build the team's brand identity and franchise value, according to the sources, Johnson believes wearing the team's logo on his shirt is important."

"As good as the relationship with Adidas has been, it just didn't fit in his plans," one of the sources said. "A major part of starting a team is establishing a brand identity and building that brand. The primary asset is the shirt."

"DJ needed a clean break to start his team. He's grateful to Adidas for letting him out of the deal."
Posted by PureBlood
The Motherland
Member since Oct 2021
5021 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:39 am to
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Sponsoring a LIV player from an ROI standpoint seems very dumb. It’s like those guys have disappeared.


Yes, because sponsoring an industry backed by the worlds most wealthy country is bad for business.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34112 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:59 am to
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some point the answer for everything bad that happens to a liv player can’t be “who cares, money “.

For those guys, it really can.
Posted by The Pirate King
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:20 am to
They didn’t drop DJ. It was a mutual parting where they let him out of his contract. He wanted his team logo to take the place of the Adidas one.

Typical uninformed pride post
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 9:22 am
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
66415 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:23 am to
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Just look at what a great catch for Callaway in signing Rahm last year.


Rahm’s new tequila endeavor is now sponsoring LIV.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
109208 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:51 am to
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Yes, because sponsoring an industry backed by the worlds most wealthy country is bad for business.
I guess that’s why EasyPost is their biggest on course sponsor so far?

I truly thought LIV would be more popular than this. But I guess we should have known. Americans never will and never have cared about other startups regardless if they have good players

I mean Jim Kelly, Steve young, and Hershel and others couldn’t make another football league work
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 9:56 am
Posted by RedHawk
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Member since Aug 2007
9560 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:56 am to
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It’s so strange how quickly they have completely fallen out of the public sphere


This is true, but if DJ wins the Masters then he will be the toast of Golf again.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8588 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:05 am to
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Where is adidas spending the money instead?


They aren't. The Kanye fiasco set them back quite a bit, and I am taking an educated guess that they're cutting marketing expenses a fair bit. DJ and Sergio were probably their two most expensive golf ambassadors. Those two are now playing in a league that struggled to get 6 figure audiences last year, so the ROI is difficult to justify. I would guess they approached DJ and Sergio about renegotiating their contracts, and the equity investment is a light cover to let them both off. They haven't dropped Niemann yet, as a counterpoint.

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Many of you like to attack LIV but really do companies make enough money off the advertising these days with so many more companies competing that are able to provide a better product with direct marketing.


Who are you referencing here? Even the likes of Bonobos and Travis Matthew and the like do some advertising. There is no doubt that Callaway has benefit tremendously from luring Rahm over a year+ ago, as an OEM example.

This is, however, the sort of thing that was likely built into Sergio and DJ's contracts with LIV - there was some risk premium built in that they would lose sponsorship dollars, hence the huge up front offer.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 10:22 am
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11912 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:48 am to
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Rahm’s new tequila endeavor is now sponsoring LIV.



I have a bottle of the Diamnte on my bar cart and it's crazy good for the price. I bought it after his Foreplay podcast name drop

Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
5221 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:56 am to
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I truly thought LIV would be more popular than this. But I guess we should have known. Americans never will and never have cared about other startups regardless if they have good players



Not sure that LIV is necessarily going after the US market exclusively. They are signing a lot of international players, I think with the intention of trying to be the big dog in all the places that the PGA doesn't have reach while being a solid second in the US. Now, I don't have their business model in hand, but their decisions seem to align with that, to become to world tour and a competitive US tour, or at least a series of special events rather than a tour in the typical sense.

Other Australians, like Cam Smith, as well as South African players will most likely end up with LIV, just because how the PGA basically screwed them and the ability to really ever play in their home country. The Euro tour could easily be eclipsed and the Asian tour as well. Outside of the US it's a wide open market, or at least one that ripe for competition.

What's going to be very interesting is that most of the US based big names have signed contracts that have lengths that pretty much align with their exemptions to the majors. Most have signed anywhere from 2-4 year contracts that unsurprisingly line up with the end of their exemptions. Is LIV using them to jump start the league and then going to rely on the world market? Or does the league just die from talent drain when the contracts dry up.

This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 11:10 am
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
40968 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:20 am to
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When these guys turned on the WM and Gen the last two weeks, their blood boiled.

Ask any former rock star or athlete. The money is awesome, but the crowds and spotlight are the real drug




You're just making shite up at this point. You want their blood to be boiling because your hatred for LIV gets your blood boiling. DJ moved because of more money for less work, he said it plain and simple. You're out here basically saying "No they're lying! They really feel how I say they feel!" I honestly think that if DJ would have looked in the camera and said "LSUPRIDE LISTEN TO ME, I left the PGA Tour and I'm happy" you'd still be arguing that he's lying and that he's miserable.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:27 am to
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They didn’t drop DJ. It was a mutual parting where they let him out of his contract. He wanted his team logo to take the place of the Adidas one.

Adidas wanted the whole shirt. DJ could not do that.

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Typical uninformed pride post

Dude is completely unhinged. Not sure I've been more embarrassed for a poster here. Like a combo of oweo and dukkev, just on golf.
Posted by bnb9433
Member since Jan 2015
14754 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:43 am to
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Like a combo of oweo and dukkev, just on golf.

Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
10262 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:14 pm to
I seem to remember the LIV contracts requiring their players to wear LIV branded gear. 4 Aces would fall into that category. I'm thinking the way the LOV contracts were set up forced the Adidas logo off the shirt so Adidas probably wondered why they were paying these guys. Hence, a mutual parting of ways.
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