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re: Is stock more important than roux for gumbo?

Posted on 5/22/19 at 5:53 am to
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 5:53 am to
hot stock to roux
Posted by saintsfan1977
Arkansas, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 6:25 am to
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I’ve done water and stock

Me too and we use water 99% of the time. I've never once thought it could be better due to stock. I've made it with both and I don't ever regret using water. I don't have time to make a stock and I personally don't need it.
Posted by Twenty 49
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 6:59 am to
I like to saute the trinity in the roux, add garlic at the tail end for about a minute, then add hot stock and stir/whisk it in.

It wouldn't be the same without the smell of the onions in the roux. I suppose I could spoon the roux/veg mixture into the stock, but don't because I cook the gumbo in the same big cast iron dutch oven I saute the veg in.

Stock: Nothing beats the silky mouthfeel you get from a good homemade chicken stock, chilled overnight and fat layer removed. But most times I cheat and use Better than Bullion, which is excellent.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:24 am to
Make roux in cast iron skillet. Once it's close to the color I want, I start cooking down trinity in the big pot. When roux is ready, it goes in to the big pot with the veggies. Add hot stock to that.

Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:34 am to
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It's always gumbo weather, baw.


Exactly this. What does that poster think, no red beans, no meatballs and red gravy, no beef stew just because they are best eaten hot.

Dumbass attitude just because it's gumbo. Guess he's eating cold soups and sandwiches all summer long.
Posted by malvin
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:00 am to
I guess the sarcasm was lost on most of you.

I made a gumbo two weeks ago. And I make one every July 30th for my daughters birthday as it’s her favorite food

The two most annoying things on the food board are crawfish and gumbo arguments. And every crawfish and every gumbo thread turns into an argument. At least crawfish has a season so it’s not year round. That was the point
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:01 am to
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Stock: Nothing beats the silky mouthfeel you get from a good homemade chicken stock, chilled overnight and fat layer removed. But most times I cheat and use Better than Bullion, which is excellent.
I've seen a recipe, I think maybe Kenji Lopez-Alt (Serious Eats), where gelatin is added to mimic the mouth feel of a homemade stock.

Agree that BTB is excellent.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:29 am to
The title of this thread is misleading and you should change it. Lots of people have questions on how to mix roux and stock (hot vs cold / cooled). It seems you are just asking about people's opinions on how important a good stock is or how to make a good stock.

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but according to two chefs who make the best gumbos i've ever had, the stock is just as important.


I think the stock is more important. A good stock takes a gumbo to the next level. The best stocks that I've made were when I boiled turkey / chicken bones that had previously been roasted, along with some celery, onion, carrot.

This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 9:34 am
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:35 am to
I add stock to roux. I've made my own stock before and it's a pain in the arse. Yes, it's easy, but takes a long time. So when i want gumbo, i get kitchen basics stock from the store. I make a damn fine gumbo with that stuff. I use the chicken stock for chicken and sausage and seafood stock for my seafood gumbo. I honestly don't think i could taste the difference. However, i make a really dark roux, so that probably makes up for the difference in flavor for stock.

The only time i make my own stock, now, is when i make my smoked duck and gumbo, and i use the carcass from the smoked game to make a stock. Gives the gumbo a hint of smokiness to it.

Also, i find that when you add roux to the stock, it separates too easily and causes a minor geyser in the pot.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:51 am to
I add Roux to stock simply because its convenient. Stock pot is full of stock, and I spoon in roux from cast iron skillet

Never had any issues doing it either way, but apparently people on this board have had all kinds of phenomenons of separations and all kinds of shite
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 9:53 am
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:55 am to
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Make roux in cast iron skillet. Once it's close to the color I want, I start cooking down trinity in the big pot. When roux is ready, it goes in to the big pot with the veggies. Add hot stock to that.

See this is what I dont get. You have to use 3 pots now (or 2 pots and 1 skillet to be specific). Not a big deal certainly, but seems like an extra unnecessary step
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 9:57 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:56 am to
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I add Roux to stock simply because its convenient. Stock pot is full of stock, and I spoon in roux from cast iron skillet



My gumbo is 1 pot. Black iron pot for the roux, then pour in my store bought stock.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:59 am to
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My gumbo is 1 pot. Black iron pot for the roux, then pour in my store bought stock.
Wait, I thought this thread was about using homemade stock? OP was kind of all over the place


But yeh, thats the easiest way to do it if using store bought stock.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:02 am to
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See this is what I dont get. You have to use 3 pots now (or 2 pots and 1 skillet to be specific). Not a big deal certainly, but seems like an extra unnecessary step



That's like half of what I use to make a gumbo I also have the pot I fry the chicken in, plus all the bowls and trays that go along with frying something.

I clean as I go, so it's not really a huge deal.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:06 am to
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That's like half of what I use to make a gumbo I also have the pot I fry the chicken in, plus all the bowls and trays that go along with frying something.

I clean as I go, so it's not really a huge deal.
Fair enough. I think either way is perfectly acceptable and dont think the difference is worth all of the hullabaloo this board has given it in the past

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:07 am to
My plan for dinner tonight basically got a from the wife because of how many dishes I use to make it. Probably has more to do with my parents coming over though
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:16 am to
Little things like cooking down the trinity vs letting it steam in the roux and using bacon fat or the oil you fried chicken in are little things that separate good gumbo vs great gumbo. Yeah its a pain in the arse to clean but imparting those extra flavors is worth it
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:26 am to
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At least crawfish has a season so it’s not year round. That was the point


I boiled 2 sacks Sunday and that's the last for this year. Between the rain early on and the way it heated up with humidity because of the rain, plus the damn flies that love crawfish as much as us humans, I decided no more this year.

As for gumbo, I'm actually cooking 4 gallons of it right now. Two for the wife to bring out to Lake Catherine where she and about 20 other women are having a hen fest this weekend and two gallons for the freezer.
Posted by MountainTiger
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:44 pm to
quote:

I add Roux to stock simply because its convenient. Stock pot is full of stock, and I spoon in roux from cast iron skillet

I don't know how much difference it makes but this is how I've always done it too. I also make my own stock.

Make the roux in a skillet, heat the stock in a big pot or Dutch oven. When the roux is the color you want, cut the heat and add the trinity to it until it stops sizzling. Then add the roux/trinity mixture to the stock one spoonful at a time, stirring to dissolve.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
8842 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:25 pm to
I've done both
quote:

add stock to your roux and roux to your stock
but I find that the best texture comes from allowing the trinity/ roux mixture to cool slightly & add warmed stock to it 1-2 cups at a time. Stirring each stock addition in completely before adding the next. If the mixture gets too thin, turn the heat back on and return it to simmering temperature.

This creates a real velvety texture to the gumbo.
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