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re: Experimentalism with steaks: charcoal vs gas

Posted on 9/7/20 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Vero Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2005
28206 posts
Posted on 9/7/20 at 3:23 pm to
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Try them by burning 6 pieces of pecan or oak down to white coals. Grill them over the coals. It’s not even a fair taste test.



I was trying to be fair as possible. I could have used my pellet smoke tube on the gasser, if I wanted, but I was testing straight up gas vs charcoal.
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 9/7/20 at 7:54 pm to
I hear you Jax, but if the point is figuring out optimum steak I haven’t run across a better method. The sous vide/reverse sear will over cook before it ever forms a solid crust and it will never have a wood/smoke flavor. Now, if you don’t want any wood/smoke flavor, I understand. My point is that with wood you will obtain optimum crust and smoke flavor. Honestly , I haven’t had a “gas only” person ever tell me they preferred a gas steak over wood after tasting one. Likewise, I have had several women who “don’t like smoked food” say that it’s the best steak they have ever eaten. They aren’t intense like a smoked chicken, rib or brisket. They have the perfect sweet, burned wood taste. I find it to be a very clean, natural taste as opposed to gas. Charcoal is a close second , but at some point it’s lost a good bit of its flavor.
Posted by pochejp
Gonzales, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2007
8130 posts
Posted on 9/7/20 at 8:30 pm to
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How do you get your genesis over 600? Mine tops out around 475 or 500


Genesis has a 700 degree thermometer and my Gen II 335 natural gas gets up to 650-675 with SS grates. With cast iron grates it will get to 675-700.
Posted by X82ndTiger
USA
Member since Sep 2004
2542 posts
Posted on 9/7/20 at 8:44 pm to
I get my steaks perfect by putting them on 700 degree grill for a few mins each side, then put them one one side of the grill with the heat off and cook them with indirect heat. Perfect every time.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 9/7/20 at 9:07 pm to
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Posted by tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
5075 posts
Posted on 9/7/20 at 9:21 pm to
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The sous vide/reverse sear will over cook before it ever forms a solid crust and it will never have a wood/smoke flavor


Lol what? Put the steaks on the cool side of the grill at about 225 with a couple of pecan chunks on the coals. Pull them 15 degrees before the goal temp. Sear in a cast iron skillet with some beef tallow. Extremely easy and a perfect crust.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Vero Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2005
28206 posts
Posted on 9/7/20 at 9:47 pm to
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The sous vide/reverse sear will over cook before it ever forms a solid crust and it will never have a wood/smoke flavor.


I agree with you on sous vide, but the whole point of the reverse sear it to cook it slow and then sear it for a good crust at the end. You can easily add smoke during the low temperature cook.
Posted by TheNolaClap
Jersey Shore (not fist pump)
Member since Jun 2012
1526 posts
Posted on 9/8/20 at 7:13 am to
Charcoal always wins IMO, but F that work for 2 weeknight steaks. I'll uncover the gas everytime.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32361 posts
Posted on 9/8/20 at 8:56 am to
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How do you get your genesis over 600? Mine tops out around 475 or 500


Mine will heat up to 600 once the grease fire inside kicks in...
Posted by southern686
Narnia
Member since Nov 2015
1077 posts
Posted on 9/8/20 at 9:04 am to
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reverse sear method


We eat rare steaks at my house.
I can not get this method down good and always end up with medium/medium well steaks

While I have a gas grill, it is never used. Charcoal is my go to for 98% of my grilling.
I still do not mind a good seared steak in a black iron skillet or griddle if done right either.

Posted by LSUZombie
A Cemetery Near You
Member since Apr 2008
29739 posts
Posted on 9/8/20 at 9:34 am to
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The sous vide/reverse sear will over cook before it ever forms a solid crust


Well that's completely false
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
5576 posts
Posted on 9/8/20 at 9:57 am to
I haven't made a steak on a grill in about a year. I got good at searing in a cast iron pan and it's a game changer.

Put skillet in oven. Heat to 500 and leave for 10+ minutes.

Pull out and put on high flame. Put a bit of oil in (high temp oil).

I used filet but you can use your meat of choice. Coat liberally in a seasoning, I prefer Cavendar's.

3 minutes on each side. Cover skillet with foil to keep the mess down.

Sear the sides if it's a big steak. Always use something 1.5" or thicker.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64537 posts
Posted on 9/8/20 at 11:17 am to
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Piscetarian....like jesus.


Jesus ate sheep and goat.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
28593 posts
Posted on 9/8/20 at 11:27 am to
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The charcoal steak had a more complex flavor where you couldn't taste the salt/pepper as clearly because of the charcoal flavor.




which is precisely why I prefer charcoal. It's that flavor that makes it better. If someone is not a fan of it, then gas is clearly better.


It really all comes down to liking coal taste or not
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Vero Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2005
28206 posts
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:59 pm to
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I got good at searing in a cast iron pan and it's a game changer.


I've done this, as well. The concept of reverse searing works the same on a cast iron skillet as a grill. You bring up the temperature slowly so the steak is cooked evenly from edge to edge. On the grill, you can get the charcoal or wood flavor during the slow portion of the cook.

You can do other things on the cast iron skillet, like adding butter/garlic to baste the steak, though. So it comes down to a personal preference.
Posted by tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
5075 posts
Posted on 9/8/20 at 5:09 pm to
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On the grill, you can get the charcoal or wood flavor during the slow portion of the cook.


Why don’t you just set up your coals so that the cool side of the grill is at 225 and do the steaks there until they come to temp? Then sear them in the cast iron to maximize the surface area of the crust? Seems like the best of both worlds.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87961 posts
Posted on 9/9/20 at 10:15 am to
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The charcoal steak had a more complex flavor where you couldn't taste the salt/pepper as clearly because of the charcoal flavor.



which is precisely why I prefer charcoal. It's that flavor that makes it better. If someone is not a fan of it, then gas is clearly better.


It really all comes down to liking coal taste or not
I have done both for many years. Gas at home mostly, and charcoal while camping. I cannot taste anything from pure charcoal. I mean-nothing at all. Not only that, there have been times when the drippings from a choice rib eye have reduced the heat greatly on my charcoal fire. For these two reasons, I prefer gas all grilling.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
28593 posts
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:28 am to
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there have been times when the drippings from a choice rib eye have reduced the heat greatly on my charcoal fire



I have the same issue when doing burgers. It's frustrating. I have my chimney ready with new coals for my second round of cooking because of this



quote:

I cannot taste anything from pure charcoal. I mean-nothing at all.


that's odd, because I can taste a distinct difference. I use the FOGO lump coals, which is quite good.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87961 posts
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:57 pm to
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that's odd, because I can taste a distinct difference.
Different people taste different things. My buds are probably defective.

On the other hand, there are many who claim charcoal does nothing for flavor in and of itself(I happen to agree) as stated here.
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