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re: Blue Oak neighbors trying to cancel them
Posted on 10/19/23 at 2:39 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 10/19/23 at 2:39 pm to Lester Earl
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Tho it does sound like BO is strong arming them to phase them out
Or maybe Parkview isn't giving the full story.
Did their previous rent include utilities, insurance, etc.? If not thats an easy way to explain a 250% increase depending on how its drawn up. Maybe the rent previously was below market value and BO is just simply being smart business owners.
Hell maybe they are strong arming them, but they have the power to do so and there may not be anything illegal about it.
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Posted on 10/19/23 at 2:48 pm to GynoSandberg
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The owner of the property should’ve just had a budding war on the property. Already had two potential buyers
Owner probably had enough decent intel about the financial situation of each to realize that likely would have been a waste of everyone's time.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 2:49 pm to More beer please
Sounds like the new lease would include PV paying utilities and insurance “of BO’s choosing”. She also knew they were do for a new HVAC system and didn’t want to pony up for a new system if the lease could kick them out in a year or two
Again, this is very one sided, and it’s sounds like PV is lacking some business sense and a good real estate attorney. And most likely capital. Apparently their drink prices are very cheap, which leads me to believe they had a sweetheart lease deal already in place
Again, this is very one sided, and it’s sounds like PV is lacking some business sense and a good real estate attorney. And most likely capital. Apparently their drink prices are very cheap, which leads me to believe they had a sweetheart lease deal already in place
Posted on 10/19/23 at 3:03 pm to More beer please
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Hell maybe they are strong arming them, but they have the power to do so and there may not be anything illegal about it.
I don’t think they purchased the building with the idea of continuing it as Parkview inn. That is Their prerogative for sure. But they seem to have come up with an unattainable rent in order to render the bar with no other option
Posted on 10/19/23 at 3:07 pm to Lester Earl
Or their business plan provides for that much income in the same area.
There is too many assumptions in what PV has put out and no comment from BO besides what PV has said BO has said.
What PV originally claimed, that they have a first right, has now proven false so there is a lot of burden of proof PV needs to provide.
There is too many assumptions in what PV has put out and no comment from BO besides what PV has said BO has said.
What PV originally claimed, that they have a first right, has now proven false so there is a lot of burden of proof PV needs to provide.
This post was edited on 10/19/23 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 10/19/23 at 3:17 pm to Lester Earl
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But they seem to have come up with an unattainable rent in order to render the bar with no other option
That feels like an unfair characteristic. The lease was put into place ten years ago. We don't know what the previous lease was, but there's a good chance it's been lower than market value. Property value has increased significantly since that point in time, and Blue Oak's success seems like it is a significant reason that area has increased in value. The owner of the property made a business decision to sell the property, and Blue Oak took the opportunity.
Is it sad a neighborhood and longstanding place is having to leave? Of course. But at the end of the day, if they were successful enough, they could also relocate somewhere else and find that same level of success.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 3:44 pm to WuShock
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if they were successful enough, they could also relocate somewhere else and find that same level of success.
Likely not. Established neighborhood bars like that will never survive a second stint if removed from their first locale. People drink in those places because it's comforting/nostalgic. Change is tough because the low rent, cheap drink, faithful neighborhood dive ain't long for this world.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 3:48 pm to Saskwatch
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Likely not. Established neighborhood bars like that will never survive a second stint if removed from their first locale. People drink in those places because it's comforting/nostalgic. Change is tough because the low rent, cheap drink, faithful neighborhood dive ain't long for this world.
Zoning and licensing hurdles to open such places in different locales are all but insurmountable nowadays.
If I was Emperor of Everything, I'd permit neighborhood corner bars in every neighborhood everywhere. Hell, I'd make their existence mandatory.
This post was edited on 10/19/23 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 10/19/23 at 3:49 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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If I was Emperor of Everything, I'd permit neighborhood corner bars in every neighborhood everywhere. Hell, I'd make there existence mandatory
A public service to the community
Posted on 10/19/23 at 4:00 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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If I was Emperor of Everything, I'd permit neighborhood corner bars in every neighborhood everywhere. Hell, I'd make their existence mandatory.
Speaking of neighborhood bars, I wonder if I’m still banned from Monkey hill. It’s been 3 years.
Might have to find out soon
Posted on 10/19/23 at 4:03 pm to yaherrdme
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According to the podcast Parkview Tavern attempted to buy it at the end of the 1st 2 10yr terms but were told it was not for sale, then at the end of the 3rd term were told it was being sold to 2 other guys when PT asked if it were available
Well this is their own fault. There are no rules that say you have to wait until the end of the lease to ask to buy. If they really wanted to buy it they should have been asking well before the end of the 3rd 10 year term.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 8:05 pm to Lester Earl
Blue oak is overrated but it’s hilarious to see the neckbeards of R/Nola melt over this.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 8:30 pm to Lester Earl
I would get wings there more often if parking wasn't so awful...
Posted on 10/19/23 at 9:11 pm to t00f
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If I want texas BBQ I'll head to Gonzo
Amen. How much longer can they sustain the current limited model though, now that everyone knows about it?
Posted on 10/19/23 at 9:13 pm to REG861
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If I want texas BBQ I'll head to Gonzo
Amen. How much longer can they sustain the current limited model though, now that everyone knows about it?
this is not his first rodeo, hopefully he knows how to expand the days.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:35 am to Lester Earl
Parking at Blue Oak can be an issue
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:41 am to fightin tigers
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Should stop buying their bbq because it is trash.
Probably the most overrated spot ever on this board.
It's just really standard.
LA 23 and Gonzo are really the only BBQ in the metro area worth bragging about.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:12 pm to Big Jim Slade
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Probably two mid city liberal
Isn't the Blu Oak crew outspoken Libs as well?
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:45 pm to UPT
quote:It was pretty damn good (for New Orleans standards) for the first few years but quality went downhill since Covid. Also the prices got a little out of control.
Probably the most overrated spot ever on this board. It's just really standard. LA 23 and Gonzo are really the only BBQ in the metro area worth bragging about.
The original happy hour with $5 wings, sliders, and bbq nachos was awesome.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:54 pm to jrobic4
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Isn't the Blu Oak crew outspoken Libs as well?
Not in the slightest
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