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re: Man shoots gf's ex-husband dead in custody dispute as "self-defense"
Posted on 11/25/21 at 11:49 pm to shel311
Posted on 11/25/21 at 11:49 pm to shel311
Just watched a second angle from Twitter from inside the house. Definitely not self defense. Shot the guy after they were separated, not during the tussle. Victim standing totally still with a safe distance between them. 2 shots.
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Posted on 11/25/21 at 11:59 pm to ChewyDante
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Just watched a second angle from Twitter from inside the house. Definitely not self defense. Shot the guy after they were separated, not during the tussle. Victim standing totally still with a safe distance between them. 2 shots.
Standing and sighted in on Chad before shooting. He didn't shoot from the hip by any means as you can see him lining up the stationary victim.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 12:01 am to BuckyCheese
Looked to me like after the victim grabbed the barrel he flung the shooter. The shooter then jumped back to get a clear shot with a rifle.
At the end of the day the question in my mind is at what point are you allowed to grab a gun when a irate man is on your property and wont leave. I feel like once the shootsr grabbed the gun he was basically saying i dont want a physical altercation and it was time to leave. Maybe the victim had a reputation of being a tougher guy. The shooter seemed to be a good bit smaller and they are both older the victim was old also.
At the end of the day the question in my mind is at what point are you allowed to grab a gun when a irate man is on your property and wont leave. I feel like once the shootsr grabbed the gun he was basically saying i dont want a physical altercation and it was time to leave. Maybe the victim had a reputation of being a tougher guy. The shooter seemed to be a good bit smaller and they are both older the victim was old also.
This post was edited on 11/26/21 at 12:12 am
Posted on 11/26/21 at 12:09 am to diat150
The more I think on this and read some of the back story the more I lean towards they may have planned this. The ex's lack of actions during and after, Kyle's actions and comments immediately after, Kyle apparently joking about having to clean blood off the deck and the last thing I just checked.
It took him 42 seconds from entering the house to coming out with a loaded rifle. That seems pretty quick to me from experience, assuming the gun was stored unloaded and in a safe.
It took him 42 seconds from entering the house to coming out with a loaded rifle. That seems pretty quick to me from experience, assuming the gun was stored unloaded and in a safe.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 12:12 am to tiggerthetooth
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Chad Read was assaulted by Kyle Carruth, and then murdered by Kyle Carruth, which Chad Read was attempting to pick one of the children from Christina Read for his court ordered period of possession.
If the bolded part is true, then that would lead me to believe there is more to this story.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 12:17 am to imjustafatkid
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It is my belief that Kyle Carruth and Christina Read intend to get married as soon as possible, and will likely move in together. I observed the divorce hearing between Kyle Carruth and Judge Anne-Marie Carruth. During that hearing, Kyle Carruth’s concern over the “waiting period” for remarriage when instructed by the Judge. Kyle Carruth’s concern over the ability to remarry quickly causes me to fear that he will have unfettered access to the children of the man he murdered.
I think she's wrong about this. He wants to get married so the girlfriend can't be compelled to testify against him.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 12:17 am to tiggerthetooth
that was straight up murder. reid didn't threaten to harm anybody. i hope that pussy pos goes to jail for the rest of his life.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 1:19 am to BuckyCheese
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The more I think on this and read some of the back story the more I lean towards they may have planned this. The ex's lack of actions during and after, Kyle's actions and comments immediately after, Kyle apparently joking about having to clean blood off the deck and the last thing I just checked.
It does raise suspicion that’s for sure. That guy seemed way too eager to shoot. He knew why he was on the property and in all likelihood knew why he was upset. He wasn’t there to whip the guy’s arse. He was there to get his kid. Immediately running into the house and grabbing your gun is pretty suspect imo. The ex wife having virtually no reaction to her new man pulling a gun on the father of her kid is pretty suspect as well. Most women would be flipping their shite at that point, but not her.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 1:20 am to BuckyCheese
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The more I think on this and read some of the back story the more I lean towards they may have planned this. The ex's lack of actions during and after, Kyle's actions and comments immediately after, Kyle apparently joking about having to clean blood off the deck and the last thing I just checked.
It took him 42 seconds from entering the house to coming out with a loaded rifle. That seems pretty quick to me from experience, assuming the gun was stored unloaded and in a safe
What is the back story on it that makes you think that? I admit everybody’s actions after the shooting including the ex husbands gf which is I assume the one filming seems really odd but it doesn’t really strike me as planned.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 1:47 am to tiggerthetooth
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Yep, such a threat that woman didn't even flinch when he was around. Then he was able to put 10ft. between them and shot him anyways.
Not to mention his son was supposed to be at the residence per a court ordered custody agreement.
He was there to get his son and it's pretty obvious.
I agree he was there to get his son but I have a hard time believing that a court would order him to pick his son up from the ex wife’s boyfriend's house, especially when the boyfriend is married to somebody else and he’s having an affair with the ex wife?
I’m 50/50 on this one, it’s not nearly as clear cut as Kyle Rittenhouse but I can definitely see a self defense argument in there, especially since it was his house and he asked him to leave and was still being belligerent.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 1:49 am to mikelbr
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But unfortunately , this is self-defense 100% and nothing gonna bring dead dude back.
You're right, although there are no winners here. Just losers.
Carruth will skate on the fact that he's technically within his self defense rights, which he was. He tried to end the threat on his property multiple times and then went to get a gun to make the aggressor (everyone would've been the aggressor in this situation had their child been basically held hostage) leave his property.
The fact that he was there to retrieve his child has no bearing on the self-defense claim, even if rational people would say it should. The much larger Chad grabbed his gun and threatened to kill Carruth with it, which is enough to claim self defense.
This is a crazy case in the sense that we can all agree with Chad's actions, but Carruths were also justified in the sense of the law. You have to throw out everything ancillary and come back to the 2nd amendment, self defense laws, castle doctrine, and stand your ground laws to realize Carruth was within his rights despite the circumstances
Posted on 11/26/21 at 1:55 am to Ace Midnight
This should go pretty similar to the Arbery case…they tussled over the gun after the warning shot, the shooter went back a good distance, collected himself, and shot the guy in cold blood. Should go to jail for a long time.
This post was edited on 11/26/21 at 1:58 am
Posted on 11/26/21 at 2:06 am to The Pirate King
I don't think Carruth will get jail time though, and if he does it won't be anything crazy.
He definitely made a horrible move and decision, but his actions largely fall within the law of self defense since Chad specifically threatened to take his gun and kill him with it, then grabbed the gun and threw Carruth with it.
I'm on the side of Chad in the actual situation, but the law pretty much falls into Carruths corner here
Posted on 11/26/21 at 2:11 am to RazorBroncs
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everyone would've been the aggressor in this situation had their child been basically held hostage
Was the kid really being held hostage though? It sounds like there was a dispute on the time where he would be able to get him. Was it 315 like he keeps saying which is I guess right when he gets out of school, or is it just that she needs to get him the son at a reasonable time for the weekend and they had been doing when the guy gets off work which is I guess normally 6?
And I wonder if the father was demanding the son right then and there for what we would consider rational reasons or is he just a tool for the father to be a dick to his ex wife which definitely is something that happens.
If the ex wife didn’t tell the father to pick the kid up from the boyfriends house or if she didn’t say be there at 315 because he normally picks him up around 6 then I’m leaning on he just wanted to be a dick her
Posted on 11/26/21 at 6:52 am to Weekend Warrior79
This was my thought too. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 7:02 am to tiggerthetooth
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Where's the OT on this as far as "self-defense"?
Sorry Kyle. You’re going to jail. Not really sure why you had to walk inside your house and get your gun.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 7:04 am to tiggerthetooth
No way in Hell that was self defense. 
Posted on 11/26/21 at 7:05 am to Lee Chatelain
You really need to know the underlying facts before coming to that conclusion. Was there a past history of abuse by the ex? Had he made threats in the past? Had the ex previously been instructed to stay off the property?
Posted on 11/26/21 at 7:06 am to tiggerthetooth
this is trashy
Posted on 11/26/21 at 7:20 am to RazorBroncs
quote:That were the shooter has a claim. When he grabbed the gun and in the attempt to take it slung the guy around where he then lined him up for the kill shot.
The much larger Chad grabbed his gun and threatened to kill Carruth with it, which is enough to claim self defense.
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