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re: Biden supporters check in thread.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:38 am to The Shed
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:38 am to The Shed
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You can spin it however you want. This is a disastrous withdrawal with no plan at all. Carter would have done a better job than this. This is an absolute disgrace.
Didn’t you listen to Blinken yesterday? The plan is going perfect. Having troops ready to send back to Afghanistan after bringing some home was the backup plan.
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:38 am to DangerousWafer
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Diplomats and political leaders on both sides were expecting that the Afghan army wouldn't fall that easily
You gotta be really naive to believe that
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:40 am to Snoopy04
I think the Doha Agreement was a flawed agreement and should never have been honored.
A bilateral agreement between the US government and the Taliban should never have been signed. The Afghan government wasn't even a party to the agreement, which was a mistake made by the Trump administration.
We shouldn't be withdrawing, which I blame Biden for honoring. The actual act of withdrawing in my opinion was always going to end up like it did, which is why I don't agree with withdrawing under these circumstances.
A bilateral agreement between the US government and the Taliban should never have been signed. The Afghan government wasn't even a party to the agreement, which was a mistake made by the Trump administration.
We shouldn't be withdrawing, which I blame Biden for honoring. The actual act of withdrawing in my opinion was always going to end up like it did, which is why I don't agree with withdrawing under these circumstances.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:45 am to DangerousWafer
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I blame Trump for negotiating a withdrawal with the Taliban and I blame Biden for honoring the withdrawal. The Afghan army wasn't even involved in the 2020 Doha Agreement for goodness sake.
I blame every US president rather than one individual for this withdrawal. Trump also had control for 4 years and was the one who brokered the deal to withdraw in the first place (and everyone conveniently ignores this). If we want to examine 20 years of foreign policy failure, you can't really ignore the administration that brokered a deal with the Taliban ;)
Holy shite!
The utter failure in this!
Trying to Blame Trump on this is laughable! But let’s say this was Trumps plan…Biden had 8 months to make changes…he reversed the border policy in 1 day! To argue that this is on Trump and Biden’s hands were tied is beyond intellectual dishonesty. After 20yrs in AFG, Biden lost it over a weekend.
When DEMs talk about “low info voters” and laugh…know they are talking about you.
Gen Keen: “4 presidents have done good and bad in AFG, it’s an imperfect situation. But have no doubt, this is all on the Biden Admin. Pride, Stubbornness and self Righteousness as a Foreign policy maker of Biden, ignoring Military and Civilian intel lead to this.”
But hey, at least he’s at Camp David enjoying ice cream.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 8:49 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:48 am to bstew3006
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Trying to Blame Trump on this is laughable! But let’s say this was Trumps plan…Biden had 8 months to make changes
Which is why I said I do blame Biden for withdrawing and honoring the agreement. It was political cowardice and while I think Trump politically trapped Biden, Biden should have never given in.
Any withdrawal would have ended up like this, which is why I think Biden's mistake is withdrawing.
The Doha Agreement was a bilateral deal with the Taliban made by the Trump administration and Biden was a fool to even honor it. It was the 'easy' way and Biden should have never taken it.
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When DEMs talk about “low info voters” and laugh…know they are talking about you.
You can insult as much as you want but that doesn't change the facts nor will it change my opinions.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 8:50 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:56 am to DangerousWafer
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think Trump politically trapped Biden, Biden should have never given in.
Wrong
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Any withdrawal would have ended up like this, which is why I think Biden's mistake is withdrawing.
Wrong
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The Doha Agreement was a bilateral deal with the Taliban made by the Trump administration and Biden was a fool to even honor it. It was the 'easy' way and Biden should have never taken it.
Taliban violated the agreement multiple times this year! Biden is asleep at the wheel!
4 Presidents have dealt with AFG over 20yrs…only 1….1 lost it in a weekend.
He ignored Military and civilian intelligence. His admin didn’t strategically plan how to withdrawal..it was a fk it, let’s leave today. He said there was no way the Taliban could take control of AFG…his words. It’s on him! No one else! You might as well blame Bush to cover for Biden.
Whenever Biden is done eating his ice cream, I’m sure we will hear a “blame Trump” speech from him…which he stated during his inauguration that he would never blame a former president..the buck stops with him.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 9:04 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:58 am to jdd48
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We may have a literal tone deaf whore as VP
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:59 am to DangerousWafer
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Any withdrawal would have ended up like this, which is why I think Biden's mistake is withdrawing.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:00 am to DangerousWafer
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DangerousWafer
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:00 am to DangerousWafer
Nothing will change your opinion because it isn’t based upon fact.
You only deserve insult.
You only deserve insult.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 9:01 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:01 am to DangerousWafer
no dumb frick you could plan the evacuation and had these people out weeks ago
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:02 am to DangerousWafer
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Diplomats and political leaders on both sides were expecting that the Afghan army wouldn't fall that easily.
They’ve been surrendering all over Afghanistan in massive numbers for weeks leading up to this withdrawal, so any thought that they would suddenly become hardened soldiers suddenly is pure ignorance at best or a lie at worst. I happen to believe the administration lied about this. There’s no way we saw what happened all over the country and truly believed that wouldn’t happen at the capital when we left.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:03 am to DangerousWafer
idiot
no one has to address ignorance
no one has to address ignorance
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:04 am to RebelExpress38
quote:But Dangerouswiffer says it's like nuanced.
They’ve been surrendering all over Afghanistan in massive numbers for weeks leading up to this withdrawal, so any thought that they would suddenly become hardened soldiers suddenly is pure ignorance at best or a lie at worst. I happen to believe the administration lied about this.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:04 am to bstew3006
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Wrong
When you say things like that, you have to add some substance behind them otherwise it just devolves into 'he says, she says.'
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Taliban violated the agreement multiple times this year! Biden is asleep at the wheel!
The Taliban violated the agreement so many times under the Trump administration as well. There were over 2000 attacks by the Taliban just after the agreement was signed.
It's exactly why I think the agreement should have never been honored or struck in the first place. You don't broker deals with a group of terrorists and expect them to honor it.
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4 Presidents have dealt with AFG over 20yrs…only 1….1 lost it in a weekend.
Afghanistan was lost the moment it began. By your argument, any president who withdrew would have lost. What would count as a victory in Afghanistan?
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Whenever Biden is done eating his ice cream, I’m sure we will hear a “blame Trump” speech from him…which he stated during his inauguration that he would never blame a former president..the buck stops with him.
I don't blame Trump alone. I don't blame Biden alone either. I blame them all for mistakes that they all made.
I blame Bush for getting us into Afghanistan.
I blame Trump for brokering a deal with the Taliban.
I blame Biden for withdrawing and withdrawing under the Doha Agreement.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 9:06 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:05 am to DangerousWafer
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I blame Trump for negotiating a withdrawal
Of course you do. Except these guys have been doing "180s" recently . Reversing decisions on each others policies.
Trump got into office and started nixing Obama policies(Iran Treaty, Paris Climate, etc.)
Biden got into office and started nixing Trumps.
Biden should have done his own evaluation and made his own policy decisions on Afghanistan. In short, Biden owns this.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 9:40 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:06 am to DangerousWafer
yes you dumb frick
yea they could have been evacuated last week
yea they could have been evacuated last week
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:07 am to frogtown
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Biden should have done his own evaluation and made his own policy decisions on Afghanistan. In short, Biden owns this.
Which is why I said Biden shares some of the blame.
He should have never honored it and gave into political cowardice than what is right.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:07 am to The Shed
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:08 am to DangerousWafer
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He should have never honored it and gave into political cowardice than what is right.
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