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re: There have been confirmed ice ages (and thawings).
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:58 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:58 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
Someone mentioned separating natural gas into hydrogen and oxygen so that we could burn the hydrogen as a power source. 90 % of natural gas is methane, CH4 . Yes there is hydrogen in it ,but to separate it out you would have to cool it a couple of hundred degrees below zero. It takes a hell of a lot energy to do that. To separate hydrogen from H2O it requires lots and lots of electricity. Point is that none of that is cost effective. Please refrain from spouting these irresponsible comments in the future.
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:00 pm to The Mick
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Where do you get all that natural gas from?
The same place we get it from now.
The natural gas is not the problem; the CO2 supposedly is. You separate the natural gas stream into constituent parts, burn the hydrogen, sequester the CO2, and emit the oxygen - expensive, but "clean".
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:00 pm to Steadyhands
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Our impact seems very minimal
Maybe. Maybe not. Look at large cities with smog problems. That’s not minimal year after year after year. But then again, a volcano erupts and can do the same over a month in a remote part of earth.
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it's pointless to change anything we do for any reason other than just trying to be more environmentally friendly
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there is no need to do any drastic changes and waste a shite ton of money trying to stop something from happening that we don't even know if it's happening because of us.
It’s not necessarily because of us. But we can influence it somewhat.
Basically your argument is:
If wind and solar are viable, why not embrace them? The first cars ran on steam. Then they got better. The first green tech won’t be the best, but it can be a start.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:01 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
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Can somebody please explain why now slight deviations in climate, weather, CO levels etc. is now the fault of mankind, and there are ways we can stop these changes? Tia
The politicization of this issue is insane. Over half of humanity has chosen to settle in coastal regions. Even if Climate Change was a natural cycle and not triggered by human activity, we better hope human activity can alter it in our favor.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:02 pm to Penrod
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2. Transition away from burning natural gas and start using hydrogen instead. We do this by taking the natural gas, breaking it into hydrogen and oxygen, burning the hydrogen, and venting the oxygen.
3. Use this hydrogen, with solar and wind power, to supply the power grid.
4. Transition vehicles from gasoline and diesel to electric so that they can be charged using the green(ish) power above.
These three things, together, are simply not feasible right now.
First, it takes energy to break down natural gas to hydrogen and oxygen. That energy has to come from somewhere.
Second, transitioning to electric vehicles is going to require a shite ton of lithium, most of which comes from China. Good luck with that.
Third, if every vehicle transitioned to electric, our current grid would not be able to keep up, much less one supplied primarily by solar, wind and hydrogen.
Now, that doesnt mean we shouldnt strive towards these goals, but we have a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG way to go to get there.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:14 pm to Penrod
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5. Mass produce plants (the first is being built right now in Texas) that suck in air, remove the CO2, and sequester the CO2 underground.
Why is just fossil fuels’ fault? What about the acres of trees cut down every second? That has to have an impact
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:17 pm to kciDAtaE
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What about the acres of trees cut down every second?
We have more trees than we had 35 years ago.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We have more trees than we had 35 years ago.
Imagine how many more we could have
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:21 pm to kciDAtaE
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Imagine how many more we could have
A vapid, empty sentence that has absolutely no meaning.
A lack of trees has nothing to do with the current climate.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:22 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Yeah, some folks struggle with shark teeth being found on top of mountains. They can't wrap their minds around it.
Proof of the Genesis Flood.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:24 pm to SantaFe
Micro reactors are the future.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:29 pm to Upperdecker
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Ecologists specializing in climate change can’t separate man made climate change from natural climate change
The entire science is based on greenhouse gases like CO2, methane, etc. They're literally measuring the levels present in the air. They can examine ice cores, thousands of feet deep, to compare current levels against historic levels. Not since the meteor that killed the dinosaurs hit the earth have we seen levels as high as they are now.
The climate change, weather patterns, temperatures, rising seas, acidity of the oceans, etc., are the symptomatic of high greenhouse gas levels. Again, these levels can be measured, both present day and historically, and have been spiking since the Industrial Revolution.
What's your alternative explanation for CO2 spiking in the last 150 years more than at any other time in human history? Not weather, greenhouse gas PPM in the atmosphere.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:30 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
I survived the Ice Age of 1992.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:31 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
I just want to find gold in SW Colorado when I retire. All the global warming talk is white noise to many of us.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
More trees could capture more carbon. Less carbon could affect the climate
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:33 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
Can't tell if man-made global warming at any significant factor is real. Can tell you that the Democrat globalist plan is making it wayyy wayyy worse if it is real. In the pocket of big business, evil unamerican Democrat globalist have forced manufacturing overseas to nations who are massive polluters and cheap near slave wages. This is all for the bottom line and to escape our EPA. Democrats are fakes.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:58 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
Amazing how many people on here dismiss climate scientists.1.4 billion cars in the world putting CO2 into the atmosphere, not to mention coal plants, and people are like, "that's fine, there aren't any consequences." Also, climate change means more severe weather of all kinds, not just heat waves. Whatever, we're already screwed for having done nothing about this despite decades of warnings from scientists who said we'd experience more severe hurricanes, wildfires and winters. It's happening everywhere, but I guess it's easier to stick your head in the sand.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:00 pm to BlackCoffeeKid
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Correct, but the rate at which it has fluctuated is now much quicker time-wise than in the past. From what I understand, that is what is the bigger problem than the levels themselves.
Found the gullible one.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:06 pm to BilltheTiger
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Found the gullible one.
Not trying to be a smartass, but can you inform me how this is gullible? I'm genuinely curious.
As I've stated in this thread, the possible problems that may come into play not with the CO2 levels themselves, but with the rate at which they've increased. Thereby not allowing life on earth time to adapt. In the end, everything may be fine, but that's where a possible problem could arise.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:10 pm to A_TownTiger
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decades of warnings from scientists who said we'd experience more severe hurricanes, wildfires and winters.
More severe than ice ages, massive warming periods, worldwide flooding and century long droughts? Because all that happened before man was here
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