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There have been confirmed ice ages (and thawings).
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:19 pm
Oceans once covered what’s now the desert southwest. 20,000 years ago glaciers carved the Great Lakes, then melted. Co levels have always fluctuated and there have been periods of massive swings.
Can somebody please explain why now slight deviations in climate, weather, CO levels etc. is now the fault of mankind, and there are ways we can stop these changes? Tia
Can somebody please explain why now slight deviations in climate, weather, CO levels etc. is now the fault of mankind, and there are ways we can stop these changes? Tia
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:20 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
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explain why now slight deviations in climate, weather, CO levels etc. is now the fault of mankind
Because there's money to be made.
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and there are ways we can stop these changes?
Not really. Especially when the two biggest polluters on this planet don't give a frick.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:21 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
Yeah, some folks struggle with shark teeth being found on top of mountains. They can't wrap their minds around it.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:23 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
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Co levels have always fluctuated and there have been periods of massive swings.
Correct, but the rate at which it has fluctuated is now much quicker time-wise than in the past. From what I understand, that is what is the bigger problem than the levels themselves.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:24 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
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Oceans once covered what’s now the desert southwest. 20,000 years ago glaciers carved the Great Lakes, then melted. Co levels have always fluctuated and there have been periods of massive swings.
Inconvenient facts that those who espouse "science" will dismiss outright.
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Can somebody please explain why now slight deviations in climate, weather, CO levels etc. is now the fault of mankind, and there are ways we can stop these changes? Tia
Fear, gotta keep those voters fearful so big daddy government can save them.
Like big daddy government is good at anything. What a joke.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:24 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
$$$$$$$$$ and control
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:25 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
Fear mongering
Climate change is real, global warming is not. There will continue to be uproar about this because the areas being affected the most by this are the northwest and west coast, who are experiencing their hottest summers on record.
While that is happening on the coast, this has been the coolest and wettest summer I can recall in Texas. Also, don’t forget the huge winter storm we had.
Climate change is real, global warming is not. There will continue to be uproar about this because the areas being affected the most by this are the northwest and west coast, who are experiencing their hottest summers on record.
While that is happening on the coast, this has been the coolest and wettest summer I can recall in Texas. Also, don’t forget the huge winter storm we had.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:26 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Yeah, some folks struggle with shark teeth being found on top of mountains. They can't wrap their minds around it.
Yetis eat fish.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:34 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
The earth is billions of years old. At one point it was flat and covered with lava. At another point it was covered in rolling gasses with no life on it. At another point it had big scaly lizards the size of busses on it. All different oxygen, carbon and nitrogen levels.
There have been lots of ice ages and ages of warming. I don’t think anyone disputes that. It happened before and will happen again.
Mankind has only been around a few thousand years. Hardly anytime at all. In the last few decades however, man has created all kinds of modern marvels which have changed the climate. You can look at ice core samples and see the evidence. That shouldn’t be up for debate, but alas, it is.
Now what the degree man has had on heating/cooling can be debating. Have we pushed fast forward by six months, 5 years, 500 year, 500,000 years? Nobody really knows.
I think we can agree that smog, car exhaust and extreme temperatures (not to mention dependence on foreign oil for the US) probably isn’t in our best interest.
I’d also say oceans reaching mountaintops is probably bad for us as well. No need to get there any quicker than we need to.
There have been lots of ice ages and ages of warming. I don’t think anyone disputes that. It happened before and will happen again.
Mankind has only been around a few thousand years. Hardly anytime at all. In the last few decades however, man has created all kinds of modern marvels which have changed the climate. You can look at ice core samples and see the evidence. That shouldn’t be up for debate, but alas, it is.
Now what the degree man has had on heating/cooling can be debating. Have we pushed fast forward by six months, 5 years, 500 year, 500,000 years? Nobody really knows.
I think we can agree that smog, car exhaust and extreme temperatures (not to mention dependence on foreign oil for the US) probably isn’t in our best interest.
I’d also say oceans reaching mountaintops is probably bad for us as well. No need to get there any quicker than we need to.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:35 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
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Can somebody please explain why now slight deviations in climate, weather, CO levels etc. is now the fault of mankind, and there are ways we can stop these changes?
Sure. The problem is greatly exaggerated, however it likely is a real problem. The temperatures we are experiencing, and are expected to experience in the next 100 years, are neither hot nor cold hisstorically speaking. However, the rate of warming is eye opening. It's not nearly what the warming alarmists predicted 30 years ago, but it's enough that it could change living conditions over the next 70 years such that adapting would be painful.
The way we fix this is as follows:
1. Stop pumping CO2 into the atmosphere from plants that make ammonia, gas plants, and oilfields, for example. Instead, capture these and pump them underground for long term storage.
2. Transition away from burning natural gas and start using hydrogen instead. We do this by taking the natural gas, breaking it into hydrogen and oxygen, burning the hydrogen, and venting the oxygen.
3. Use this hydrogen, with solar and wind power, to supply the power grid.
4. Transition vehicles from gasoline and diesel to electric so that they can be charged using the green(ish) power above.
5. Mass produce plants (the first is being built right now in Texas) that suck in air, remove the CO2, and sequester the CO2 underground.
6. The most obvious of all, which the left wing nuts aren't even considering, is to use nuclear, which is cheaper and greener than all of the above. Instead Obama et al are letting nuclear plants be shut down. This shows how serious they think the problem really is.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:38 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
Ecologists specializing in climate change can’t separate man made climate change from natural climate change
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:43 pm to BlackCoffeeKid
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Correct, but the rate at which it has fluctuated is now much quicker time-wise than in the past. From what I understand, that is what is the bigger problem than the levels themselves.
So changes that use to take centuries now happen in a decade or two? I don’t think so.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:45 pm to Centinel
quote:Yep, "Green" is big business.
Because there's money to be made.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:46 pm to McCaigBro69
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Climate change is real, global warming is not.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:46 pm to Penrod
Where do you get all that natural gas from?
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:47 pm to doubleb
That's just the way it's been described to me. Earth can easily handle swings in CO2 levels over time, but when there's a big spike in a short period of time where life can't adapt fast enough, that's where we might run into problems. But there's really no knowing what the outcome will be.
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:49 pm to Suntiger
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also say oceans reaching mountaintops is probably bad for us as well. No need to get there any quicker than we need to.
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what the degree man has had on heating/cooling can be debating. Have we pushed fast forward by six months, 5 years, 500 year, 500,000 years? Nobody really knows.
Since we don't know, there is no need to do any drastic changes and waste a shite ton of money trying to stop something from happening that we don't even know if it's happening because of us. Our impact seems very minimal and it's pointless to change anything we do for any reason other than just trying to be more environmentally friendly period.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:53 pm to Penrod
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Stop pumping CO2 into the atmosphere from plants that make ammonia, gas plants, and oilfields, for example. Instead, capture these and pump them underground for long term storage.
I’m interested in the long term effects of CO2 storage. I feel like we are people in NOLA a hundred years ago saying levees will cure everything. Now we have coastal erosion and our land is sinking and sluffing away.
What happens when these CO2 rocks break apart or come to the surface? Does it expand and make new mountains, fall apart and make a hell mouth?
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:57 pm to Penrod
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Mass produce plants (the first is being built right now in Texas) that suck in air, remove the CO2, and sequester the CO2 underground.
They're called trees.
You might want to Google the carboniferous period.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:58 pm to doubleb
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So changes that use to take centuries now happen in a decade or two? I don’t think so.
Well, maybe, but that is not what they are worried about. The changes that used to take a millenium now taking a century are what they are conceraned about. If the temperature rises 5 degrees F over a thousand years man can gradually assimilate, but if it happens in 100 years entire regions would have to be repopulated. I'm not saying this will happen, just that it would be a problem.
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