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re: New Orleans Pelicans are willing to part ways with Brandon Ingram in hopes of getting Dame
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:42 pm to Bronc
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:42 pm to Bronc
quote:
Some of those though are just wrong and not being thought through. Just a few I’ll touch on:
Min could package Edwards, DRuss, and multiple firsts and swaps to offer Portland
CLE could package Sexton and the third pick and be very enticing.
GS: Almost certainly will be sending out the 7th pick and Wiseman to bring someone in for another run and putting two unstoppable guards isn’t something I would put past GS trying given they already showed a willingness with DRuss.
Toronto: are you forgetting they hold the third pick? A package around multiple future firsts and swaps to go with this years 3rd pick is a good way to jumpstart the rebuild…and drive Lillards price up
I stated Toronto could be a potential.
I do not believe the others provide legit proven talent to fit Portland’s team.
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 9:44 pm
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Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
The deal being discussed all week was Simmons and stuff for Lillard. That would be the best package for Portland. Lillard with Embiid and Harris is a contender. They are all more mature and ready to make a run. Portland gets a mega talent in return. It would be tough to beat. Ingram vs Simmons is kind of close..
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:46 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Right
Especially if he is forcing his way out. You send him Ingram and whatever else to match money & maybe a pick
That doesn't matter and you aren't getting dame lillard for Ingram and maybe a pick
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:46 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
firmly believe our best path to success is adding to BI and Zion.
Yup
But let’s see if this 3rd rate organization panics
I’m personally fine either direction they take.
Use BI and only have to send maybe one other player and picks.
Or keep BI and literally send everything outside of him and Zion
I think keeping BI gets you closer, but you’re pretty much gonna empty the clip all in one.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yeah AD had a bad year this year. AD has had a better PER compared to Lillard for like 7+ years prior to that. and he's 3 years younger
If AD was still on the team, I’d give up everything not nailed down to pair them together. But we have Zion now, not AD. So it doesn’t make sense unless it’s a deal where we keep a good chunk of the war chest and BI and Zion together. I’m sure a desperate team would outbid what I’d offer and that’s ok.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:47 pm to ghost2most
Yall also gotta realize, Lillard doesn't really miss games/gets hurt. Here's his game total in his career:
12-13: 82
13-14: 82
14-15: 82
15-16: 75
16-17: 75
17-18: 73
18-19: 80
19-20: 66 (out of 74)
20-21 67 (out of 72)
The guy isn't ancient. He's only 30 and I can see him playing the amount of games he has been til his contract ends. I would trade for him A-fricking-SAP and not think twice about it. Give Portland whatever.
12-13: 82
13-14: 82
14-15: 82
15-16: 75
16-17: 75
17-18: 73
18-19: 80
19-20: 66 (out of 74)
20-21 67 (out of 72)
The guy isn't ancient. He's only 30 and I can see him playing the amount of games he has been til his contract ends. I would trade for him A-fricking-SAP and not think twice about it. Give Portland whatever.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:47 pm to brmark70816
earlier i said i didn't think the 76ers had teh juice but that's entirely based on the valuation of Simmons today
i did miss Toronto in my initial list.
Toronto, Denver, and Philly I guess are the rational options (assuming Simmons still has super elite value)
i did miss Toronto in my initial list.
Toronto, Denver, and Philly I guess are the rational options (assuming Simmons still has super elite value)
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:48 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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I think keeping BI gets you closer
Yeah closer to going to Seattle
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
Griffin trading Ingram for a guy 8 years older would be a "get me off the hot seat" move and would totally undermine the, "we want to build sustainable success" speech he's been giving for 2+ years.
I could see it if Lillard was a little younger. But the history of small guards as they get into their 30s is not good.
The goal should be to use that warchest to add a guy to Zion/Ingram.
I could see it if Lillard was a little younger. But the history of small guards as they get into their 30s is not good.
The goal should be to use that warchest to add a guy to Zion/Ingram.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:49 pm to Lester Earl
Lol at you for thinking an often injured Robin big man is worth more than a consistently healthy mvp level guard that might be the most clutch player in nba history. I don’t understand the hard on some of you cats still have for AD.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:50 pm to brmark70816
quote:
I think Portland would be better though. Ingram is a great fit with that roster..
Did you really just type that out?
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:54 pm to eyeran
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The goal should be to use that warchest to add a guy to Zion/Ingram.
exactly. if we were dealing Adams/Bledsoe's contracts and picks, it may be worth it
Lillard
Zo
Ingram
Zion
Hayes
with Kira/NAW and filler off the bench
that's a potential WCF team
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:54 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I like Ingram and Lewis on the team. If we had to make move what would beat this or what else included in package:
Blazers:
Ingram
Lewis
Bledsoe
Pels 2021
Lakers 2022
Pels:
Lillard
Covington
Blazers:
Ingram
Lewis
Bledsoe
Pels 2021
Lakers 2022
Pels:
Lillard
Covington
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
And Ingram just had his worst defensive season since his rookie year. He can easily revert back to the not-terrible mean.
He obviously has a ton of talent. He doesn't have some deal with the devil where he loses his ability to play basketball in the last ~6 minutes of a game.
The defense/shite closing are mental issues. A new coach and adding a stud like Lillard to take pressure off of him on offense would go a long way towards fixing those issues.
I think that dealing BI and keeping NAW/Hayes is relying a bit too much on potential to be a contender. If we do make a pick heavy deal, hopefully Portland likes Kira enough for us to keep one of NAW/Hayes. But I'd give up all 3 if it meant keeping Ingram. Let Langdon do some work finding those bench players (or bring back Demps to do the only thing that he was good at).
And I do think that if you get that Lillard/BI/Zion core, you pretty much have to keep Zo, even if it's an overpay. A pick heavy package for Lillard still probably costs us NAW + Hayes, so we'd be desperate for competent players. I think that he'd be a solid #4. There's pretty much no pressure on him to do anything but defend as well as possible and hit WIDE OPEN 3s at a ~38% clip. Let him build up some value and deal him when you have to extend Zion for cheaper assets.
ETA: There's pretty much no point in making the Lillard deal if Rita isn't willing to pay the tax for the next few years.
He obviously has a ton of talent. He doesn't have some deal with the devil where he loses his ability to play basketball in the last ~6 minutes of a game.
The defense/shite closing are mental issues. A new coach and adding a stud like Lillard to take pressure off of him on offense would go a long way towards fixing those issues.
I think that dealing BI and keeping NAW/Hayes is relying a bit too much on potential to be a contender. If we do make a pick heavy deal, hopefully Portland likes Kira enough for us to keep one of NAW/Hayes. But I'd give up all 3 if it meant keeping Ingram. Let Langdon do some work finding those bench players (or bring back Demps to do the only thing that he was good at).
And I do think that if you get that Lillard/BI/Zion core, you pretty much have to keep Zo, even if it's an overpay. A pick heavy package for Lillard still probably costs us NAW + Hayes, so we'd be desperate for competent players. I think that he'd be a solid #4. There's pretty much no pressure on him to do anything but defend as well as possible and hit WIDE OPEN 3s at a ~38% clip. Let him build up some value and deal him when you have to extend Zion for cheaper assets.
ETA: There's pretty much no point in making the Lillard deal if Rita isn't willing to pay the tax for the next few years.
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:57 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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I don’t understand the hard on some of you cats still have for AD.
again
prior to this year he had a higher PER at least 7 years in a row prior
he's also younger. age is the big variable with lillard
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:57 pm to THRILLHO
They wouldn't do the deal for naw and Hayes.
Ingram would have to be in it
Ingram would have to be in it
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:00 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:
Lol at you for thinking an often injured Robin big man is worth more than a consistently healthy mvp level guard that might be the most clutch player in nba history.
Lol
22-39 playoff record
Dude has never sniffed an MVP. Never has had a 1st place vote
You are as delusional as Bronc
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:00 pm to Chalkywhite84
quote:
They wouldn't do the deal for naw and Hayes.
Ingram would have to be in it
we have like 20, 1st round picks
there is no reason to become a 5-6 seed for 2, maybe 3 years and then lose that window and sell rebuildling from scratch to Zion when he's got to re-up
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:00 pm to Lester Earl
6 pages over a Scoop B tweet lol
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:00 pm to THRILLHO
quote:
ETA: There's pretty much no point in making the Lillard deal if Rita isn't willing to pay the tax for the next few years.
How many teams do you think are paying the tax in the NBA right now?
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