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re: Someone in Lake Charles got a pretty sick looking patio built * Update from owner pg 13 *

Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:20 pm to
Posted by hnds2th
Member since May 2019
3056 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:20 pm to
How did you pay him? I always pay for this type stuff with a credit card, so I can dispute the charge if there is a problem.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47610 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:38 pm to
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So the post is too long for this page. Check out my FB page for the full story. Neal Hollowell I’m the one with the squirrel picture

What did Trevor do to get put in the Fb Pokey?

And you look like that guy who played Tommy Carcetti in The Wire.
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 10:47 pm
Posted by Dirk Dawgler
Where I Am
Member since Nov 2011
2551 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:04 pm to
Most concrete plants already put retarder in starting around May1st or earlier if it is unseasonably hot in April. Drivers don’t keep super plasticizer in their trucks and that would have been the only chemical that “might” have made that concrete placable at 4 hours. But even at that point, the load should only have a one time addition of water. Re-tempering old concrete just makes it gum up faster and accelerates the process of heat of hydration.

My guess is that the load was re-tempered several times while it sat baking and again before every time they filled the buggy. Just to make it wet enough to come out of the drum and down the chute. That situation causes the concrete to set up within a couple of minutes after it hits the ground. It’s basically unplacable at that point.

If the driver had super p with him (which is unlikely) the concrete would have been okay if placed within 2.5 hours. The driver would have had to have 15-18 ounces per 100 weight of cement in a yard to be effective. Each yard would have had approximately 500 lbs of cementicious . Straight Portland cement or a 85%/15% Portland/Fly Ash or Slag ratio. It would have taken almost 900 ounces to chemically treat the slump on a 12 yard load. But again drivers don’t carry a couple of 5 gallon buckets of super p because this type of practice by a finisher is rare and they are trained to inform the finisher of the risk involved in choosing to pour old and multiple re-tempered concrete.

Super P, if ordered to be in the mix, is added at the batch plant. It simply increases the slump from a standard 3”-5” up to an 8” slump without affecting the water/cement ratio of the mix design. It is an admixture that finishers pay extra for in order to have a much more easily placable mix.

The only time you will see drivers carrying super p is if they are on a project that is long term (2-5 years) like a WTP where loads are routinely tested and inspected at a checkpoint before getting released to the point of placement. If they test below the lower slump limit, the testing company will allow them to add super p and re-mix and then test again.

But you never have drivers toting super onto a tingly dink residential patio job.

This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 11:08 pm
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
36761 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:11 pm to
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The wife had two friends post they used him for a couple of jobs


Good luck with outcome. That guy is a pos
Posted by Capt Caveman
Lake Charles
Member since Jun 2021
12 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:32 am to
I really don’t know
Posted by VernonPLSUfan
Leesville, La.
Member since Sep 2007
16024 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:05 am to
I thought stomp and drag were for drywall, not patio's.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19431 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:09 am to
Lesson: only hire licensed and insured contractors
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
24005 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:30 am to
Looks like contractor fraud to me. Arrest the POS.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
140462 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:38 am to
quote:

Most concrete plants already put retarder in starting around May1st or earlier if it is unseasonably hot in April. Drivers don’t keep super plasticizer in their trucks and that would have been the only chemical that “might” have made that concrete placable at 4 hours. But even at that point, the load should only have a one time addition of water. Re-tempering old concrete just makes it gum up faster and accelerates the process of heat of hydration.

My guess is that the load was re-tempered several times while it sat baking and again before every time they filled the buggy. Just to make it wet enough to come out of the drum and down the chute. That situation causes the concrete to set up within a couple of minutes after it hits the ground. It’s basically unplacable at that point.

If the driver had super p with him (which is unlikely) the concrete would have been okay if placed within 2.5 hours. The driver would have had to have 15-18 ounces per 100 weight of cement in a yard to be effective. Each yard would have had approximately 500 lbs of cementicious . Straight Portland cement or a 85%/15% Portland/Fly Ash or Slag ratio. It would have taken almost 900 ounces to chemically treat the slump on a 12 yard load. But again drivers don’t carry a couple of 5 gallon buckets of super p because this type of practice by a finisher is rare and they are trained to inform the finisher of the risk involved in choosing to pour old and multiple re-tempered concrete.

Super P, if ordered to be in the mix, is added at the batch plant. It simply increases the slump from a standard 3”-5” up to an 8” slump without affecting the water/cement ratio of the mix design. It is an admixture that finishers pay extra for in order to have a much more easily placable mix.

The only time you will see drivers carrying super p is if they are on a project that is long term (2-5 years) like a WTP where loads are routinely tested and inspected at a checkpoint before getting released to the point of placement. If they test below the lower slump limit, the testing company will allow them to add super p and re-mix and then test again.

But you never have drivers toting super onto a tingly dink residential patio job.


Posted by SUB
Member since Jan 2001
Member since Jan 2009
21084 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:48 am to
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always pay for this type stuff with a credit card, so I can dispute the charge if there is a problem.



I did this with a contractor who F’d up big time. He kept asking for more money, even though I paid for all the materials, and half of the labor. He wouldn’t do any more work unless I paid him more, which was against our contract, and further, his work sucked. I said F it. Disputed a a fair amount of what I had already paid him and told him to get lost. Never heard from him again and the bank upheld the disputed amount.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 9:50 am
Posted by SouthernStyled
Member since Apr 2021
1307 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:06 am to
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I am associating the term Trevor with anyone that is incompetent in whatever they are doing. So don’t be a Trevor.


Trefor is a terrible name.
Posted by TSLG
Member since Mar 2014
6724 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:06 am to
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Lesson: only hire licensed and insured contractors


The homeowner seems to be a seasoned real estate agent too. This is definitely not the type of decision making I want from a person I'm paying to walk me through the home buying process.

Is it reasonable to assume that team puppet found dipshit trevor through real estate agent contacts? How many sellers and buyers have had to deal with Trevor's bullshite after a recommendation from this circle?

I'm thinking that the two mexicans spreading the concrete are the sharpest tools in the whole story. We will know for sure when puppet man starts bitching about having to pay the subs.

I'm team hispanic day laborers. The rest of you frickers seem incompetent.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19431 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:35 am to
Yep, also GC is liable for all sub work. His argument that he sub it out so he’s no liable is insane. That’s literally the only reason he is a part of the transaction the. Is to assume liability for the work because the subs cannot on their own or the owner wanted a GC who is liable for the whole project instead of numerous different subs being liable to the owner.

Owner sues GC
GC remedies owner
GC sues subs
Subs remedy GC

If everything happened the way claimed and it’s truly the sub who fricked up, which by all accounts looks like not the case and the GC is actually who fricked up.

Either way if owner had verified the GC was licensed and insured prior to making the contract, he’d have actual legal and tangible means to remedy. Since the GC is neither the state licensing board can only basically tell the owner, sorry can’t do anything to help you, Take the guy to court.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
98836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
40491 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:57 am to
quote:

No. Anyone can form a LLC and insurance isn’t a requirement to do it, but he is required to at least register as a contractor with the board and to do that, he’d be required to carry insurance and show proof of it.

I don’t find any Trevor, Kin’s, etc ever registered with the Board for Contractors.


Not if the work is under $7500.00.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 11:04 am
Posted by Anonymous95
Member since Sep 2014
2080 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:16 am to
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§2175.2. Home improvement contracting; registration required A. (1) No person shall undertake, offer to undertake, or agree to perform home improvement contracting services unless registered with and approved by the Residential Building Contractors Subcommittee of the State Licensing Board for Contractors as a home improvement contractor.


You are required to register for any job over $1,500. You are required to be licensed for any job over $7,500
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 11:18 am
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76821 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:16 am to
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Reading texts that have “r” or “u” instead of the whole word is annoying. Adults who do it in business communication like above are even worse.


My phone doesn’t even let me type that trashy
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
67135 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:17 am to
quote:

but I am guessing he has nothing of value to liquidate for them to be made whole


What about Trevor’s F 250 with truck nutz
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167886 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:27 am to
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You are required to register for any job over $1,500. You are required to be licensed for any job over $7,500




No. The home improvement registration in Louisiana is any job over $7500. The residential licensing requirements kick in at $75,000. There's nothing I've ever seen about $1500 and unless something has changed anyone can do work under $7500 without licensing or registration.
Posted by Anonymous95
Member since Sep 2014
2080 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:39 am to
You’re right. Downvoting myself now.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425838 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:39 am to
never heard of the 1500, either. isn't the 7500 relatively new also?
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