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I'm interested in the opinions of fellow conservatives on the Chauvin jury findings
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:27 pm
IMO Chauvin was over-charged with the 2 murder charges, but rightly charged with manslaughter in the second degree. And IMO he was rightly convicted of 2nd degere manslaughter
IMO Chauvin didn't kill George Floyd (the fentanyl probably did that), but he showed an utter disregard for Floyd's life by not getting him medical attention and by keeping his knee on Floyd's neck for 9 minutes while Floyd had his hands cuffed behind his back an was laid out on the ground.
I had this discussion IRL with a conservative relative yesterday and he thinks Chauvin should have been found not guilty on all charges.
Any other conservatives think Chauvin was properly charged and convicted on 2nd degree manslaughter, or do you agree with my relative?
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Minnesota 609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:
(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another
IMO Chauvin didn't kill George Floyd (the fentanyl probably did that), but he showed an utter disregard for Floyd's life by not getting him medical attention and by keeping his knee on Floyd's neck for 9 minutes while Floyd had his hands cuffed behind his back an was laid out on the ground.
I had this discussion IRL with a conservative relative yesterday and he thinks Chauvin should have been found not guilty on all charges.
Any other conservatives think Chauvin was properly charged and convicted on 2nd degree manslaughter, or do you agree with my relative?
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:29 pm to L.A.
2nd degree manslaughter was the right and only verdict
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:29 pm to L.A.
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Chauvin was properly charged and convicted on 2nd degree manslaughter
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:29 pm to L.A.
Manslaughter yes. Others no. It was overkill and everybody knows it.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:30 pm to L.A.
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Minnesota 609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:
(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another
I think there is reasonable doubt that he did this.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:31 pm to L.A.
Not guilty on all charges
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:33 pm to L.A.
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IMO Chauvin didn't kill George Floyd (the fentanyl probably did that), but he showed an utter disregard for Floyd's life by not getting him medical attention and by keeping his knee on Floyd's neck for 9 minutes while Floyd had his hands cuffed behind his back an was laid out on the ground.
Mostly agree.
There was a point in the nine minutes, where it went from fully justified, to questionable, to OH shite!!
Chauvin was distracted by that crowd, and his ego got the best of him. He seemed to want to prove something. The fact that Floyd was a piece of shite does little to help Chauvin. He was a citizen, who for at least the final 3 of the 9 minutes, was being brutalized by a police officer. Which is wrong and punishable.
Was he murdered? Of course not. But a serious crime was committed by Chauvin.
But man I'd hate to put up with all that neighborhood bullshite day after day. I'd probably one day snap and pull a Chauvin myself.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:33 pm to L.A.
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IMO Chauvin was over-charged with the 2 murder charges,
guilty as charged.
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(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or
evidence proved DC caused GF's death. this charge includes that the death occurred during the felony offense of assault. Fits squarely in Minnesota statute for Murder 2..
ETA if the OP even conceded that manslaughter is appropriate he is acknowledging DC caused GF's death. the only thing different for murder 2 would be showing DC had intent to attempt or commit a felony. the excessive use of force with the knee for too long would qualify as the felony. the only way he wasn't guilty of murder 2 is if the knee was an accident.
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:35 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Absolutely.
I think there is reasonable doubt that he did this.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:39 pm to L.A.
Conservatives should be more pissed at the utter lack of procedural due process in this case than the jury verdict. In fact, the lack of the former is the reason for the latter.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:40 pm to L.A.
The verdict was appeasement, nothing more.
You can't be simultaneously guilty of 3rd degree, 2nd degree, and manslaughter.
You can't be simultaneously guilty of 3rd degree, 2nd degree, and manslaughter.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:41 pm to JPinLondon
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Chauvin was distracted by that crowd
Explain
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his ego got the best of him
Explain
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He seemed to want to prove something
Explain
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brutalized by a police officer
Explain
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:41 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
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Absolutely.
I think what you're seeing is fairly typical from many on the right. Tons of talk until a verdict comes down, then there is a sense of needing to walk back an unpopular opinion to get more in line with the norm.
My views evolved the opposite direction over time. I went from first thinking it was 100% unjustified and gruesome, to reading the entire transcript and thinking more along the lines of what many here are suggesting, to getting to see the body cam footage and thinking it was even less than that, to finally seeing the tox screen and seeing the amount of drugs in his system. While Chauvin may have been guilty of being a dick, and even that is debatable, there is a ton of reasonable doubt as to whether his actions directly lead to Floyd's death. for me, that would have been enough to clear him on everything.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:42 pm to jaytothen
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You can't be simultaneously guilty of 3rd degree, 2nd degree, and manslaughter.
in Minnesota you can, although only one will be used for sentencing.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:42 pm to L.A.
Not guilty. Floyd would have died even if Chauvin didn't lay a finger on him because he swallowed his drugs.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:45 pm to L.A.
I am a bit agnostic on it.
I wouldn’t have been completely surprised if he was found not guilty. I am not at all surprised that he was found guilty.
I don’t feel a ton of sympathy for him. I feel less for George Floyd.
It seems very likely that his actions contributed at least partially to Floyd’s death.
And we have a jury system in the US. We have to trust that a bit for the system to continue forward.
I have zero faith in DAs or politicians.
I wouldn’t have been completely surprised if he was found not guilty. I am not at all surprised that he was found guilty.
I don’t feel a ton of sympathy for him. I feel less for George Floyd.
It seems very likely that his actions contributed at least partially to Floyd’s death.
And we have a jury system in the US. We have to trust that a bit for the system to continue forward.
I have zero faith in DAs or politicians.
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:47 pm to Colonel Flagg
I'm pretty MAGA/conservative and I totally agree w/ the OP. First 2 charges were bunk and any rational jury not feeling the pressure of a dangerous mob, the doxxing media and Democratic leaders - including the President* of the United States of America - shouldn't have found Chauvin guilty of anything other than manslaughter. And even that had some level of doubt due to the level of fentanyl in his system.
I told my wife last night the first 2 charges were ludicrous and politically motivated. Scary times we're living in.
This doesn't alleviate Chauvin from his actions. There's no justifiable reason for him to be/remain on his neck after Floyd lost consiousness.
I told my wife last night the first 2 charges were ludicrous and politically motivated. Scary times we're living in.
This doesn't alleviate Chauvin from his actions. There's no justifiable reason for him to be/remain on his neck after Floyd lost consiousness.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:47 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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there is a ton of reasonable doubt as to whether his actions directly lead to Floyd's death
The question is whether he thought he was doing his job properly restraining him or not. Maybe I missed it, but I do not understand how that was determined.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:47 pm to VADawg
quote:So I'm not a lawyer, and I will screw this explanation up, but I know some lawyers, and I was informed of the "eggshell skull" concept a couple years back.
Not guilty. Floyd would have died even if Chauvin didn't lay a finger on him because he swallowed his drugs.
You take a "victim" as they are. Thus if someone has a blood clotting issue and you slap them in the face and cause a nosebleed and they die... your "simple assault" charge CAN/WILL be taken higher to a manslaughter or similar charge!
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:51 pm to Zendog
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2nd degree manslaughter was the right and only verdict
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